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Bug#702844: marked as done (general: imposible to shutdown or logout graphically in gnome-shell)

On Tue, Mar 12, 2013 at 08:45:04AM +0000, Lars Wirzenius wrote:
> On Tue, Mar 12, 2013 at 05:17:34AM +0100, alexdeb wrote:
> > 
> > Imposible to shutdown or logout graphically in gnome-shell
> > I saw just a black screen and the system do nothing.
> > When i do shutdown -h now or /etc/init.d/gdm3 force-reload it's ok.
> > Maybe this is relative to the Nvidia drivers i have installed recently ?
> This is a user interface design decision that the GNOME project has
> made and implemented. You can get the shutdown option by pressing
> Alt while the menu is open and, while keeping Alt pressed, selecting
> the menu entry.

Just because some misfeature was implemented intentionally, it doesn't stop
it from being harmful -- ie, a bug.  Neither some other operating system
doing a particular mistake means you should repeat it.

Sabotaging shutdown to do a suspend instead is a bad idea, for multiple
* on some desktops, you'll get a bright flashing light that, for example,
  makes it kind of impossible to sleep in the room with the computer
* on laptops, it will continue drawing significant power (RAM), draining
  the battery.  It will eventually result in either data loss, or emergency
  hibernation that will leave you with an empty battery.
* machines expected to suspend a lot (ie, laptops) already have multiple
  ways to trigger a suspend directly: everywhere: closing the lid, on most:
  pressing the power button briefly (holding it longer will do a hard
  unclean power-off)
* having some magic key do an actual shutdown doesn't help most users: an
  average Joe won't know about it, advanced users that don't develop the
  desktop environment in question can't be expected to memorise it.

It's sad that this misfeature can't be expected to be fixed for wheezy,
but I'd urge you to consider it for jessie.

(I admit, I personally had it with Gnome3, but XFCE or Mate guys may give
high weight to consistency with Gnome3 and decide to go this way for the
sake of users migrating from Gnome3.  Or, I may want to give Cinnamon a
chance.  Or, ...  In any case, it affects even people who don't use Gnome3


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