Re: Bits from the FTPMaster meeting

[Goswin von Brederlow <goswin-v-b@web.de>]

Luk Claes <luk@debian.org> writes:

> Goswin von Brederlow wrote:
>> Sune Vuorela <nospam@vuorela.dk> writes:
>> 
>>> On 2009-11-18, Gerfried Fuchs <rhonda@deb.at> wrote:
>>>>  I am a bit confused with respect to how buildd autosigning is required
>>>> for this. It makes it sound somehow like it would affect porter binary
>>> Basicalyl, the turnaround time is too long if we have to wait for manual
>>> buildd signings.
>>>
>>> For example, when we upload a new KDE, we usually upload a big chunk of
>>> source packages (3-5) where package 1 breaks last package.
>>>
>>> Currently, we can upload all source packages built for amd64 and i386
>>> and that way keep kde installable in unstable for more than 95 % of the
>>> users. 
>>>
>>> With 1 package signing per day (which is quite normal), we have 5 days
>>> where kde by itself is uninstallable on all archs, if the buildds have
>>> to build all packages by current means.
>>>
>>> With buildd autosigning, we probably only have a day or so on the fast
>>> archs with kde being uninstallable.
>>>
>>> and I have the impression that we will get quite many bug reports about
>>> kde being uninstallable. We arleady do that when kde is a part of
>>> another transition, and if kde is blocking itself on main archs, we will
>>> only get more.
>>>
>>> So yes, I really hope that 'source only' (or throw away binaries)
>>> uploads only get implemented when buildd autosigning is in place.
>>>
>>> (KDE doesn't have that many users on e.g. hppa, so the current
>>> turnaround time isn't that much of a problem outside the main archs)
>>>
>>> /Sune
>> 
>> An alternative way to solve this is to use build packages on the
>> buildd without waiting for them to be signed and uploaded. This would
>> require some coordination with wanna-build so later KDE packages are
>> only given to the buildd that has the earlier ones available.
>
> This could only work if the built package is needed on the same buildd
> it was built.

What part of "require some coordination with wanna-build" did you not read?

>> The buildd would then build all of KDE and the buildd admin could sign
>> it all in one go. That way you have potentially 0 uninstallable time.
>
> It's very unlikely that the builds for all these packages ends up on the
> same buildd, so in practice that would not work. It could be an
> improvement though.
>
> Cheers
>
> Luk

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        Goswin