Re: lilo about to be dropped?
As the silent co-maintainer of lilo I believe I should now voice my
thoughts on this
I too believe that lilo should belive that lilo should be remove *at
some point* but now is not the time. So I restate my willingness to
take over fully publicly. Upstream made a release of a bootloader in
2007 a bootloader is quite different from an internet facing service
or a desktop app, so it is possible that upstream hasn't made a
release because they haven't felt a need to existed. From this thread
there still appears to be use cases for lilo and it seems to be
meeting the needs of the people that need it. Unless there is a
security hole or show stopping bug that makes the package totally
unusable why remove it. There will eventually be that case and when
such a time comes we will reexamine the issue but why fix what is
working for people. Again I will take over the package if you
(nenolod) don't want it anymore. I An RM seems overkill when a line in
the package description will do nicely
On Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 10:22 AM, Giacomo A. Catenazzi <cate@debian.org> wrote:
> Nenolod: sorry for the other mail.
>
> William Pitcock wrote:
>>
>> On Tue, 2009-04-07 at 13:06 -0300, Otavio Salvador wrote:
>>>
>>> On Mon, Apr 6, 2009 at 9:21 PM, William Pitcock
>>> <nenolod@sacredspiral.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Lilo upstream is dead (no release in quite a while), but the lilo
>>>> maintainer has also been seen as saying in various mailing lists etc,
>>>> that since Debian patches lilo that he has no interest in helping to fix
>>>> problems in our version.
>>>
>>> Ok but you could try to push those patches upstream. This is how
>>> grub has been improved and also parted. This works most of time.
>>>
>>> This way we "reduce" the amount of patches we keep in Debian
>>> and also you could try to get in touch with other distros to share
>>> the load and avoid reworking at same things.
>>
>> lilo is officially unmaintained now. The canonical website of lilo now
>> points to a 404 error page, see http://lilo.go.dyndns.org/ .
>
> as grub was not really maintained. Also grub2 doesn't seems so fast in
> development.
> I think these kind of project have difficult to maintain motivated
> maintainer.
>
> What do the other distributions?
>
> extlinux seems the real alternative: the maintainer is active
> in kernel boot since a lot of years, he has a good knowledge
> of lilo (thus is not the usual: do a new project because I
> cannot read/understand the old code).
>
> OTOH hpa test always the boot changes in kernel, and
> lilo is always tested, so in this regards, he take also
> care about lilo.
>
>
> I think we need a discussion of the fate of lilo at DebConf.
> I volunteer to check and give you technical details of the
> main boot loaders for i386/amd64 architecture, so that
> we can decide better (and give inputs to upstream on what
> they miss). Any interest in such talk?
>
>
> BTW: my new laptop was saved by lilo ;-)
> I installed grub (and Debian). Trying the Windows hidden partition
> (to install windows), grub stopped working (it was rescue mode, but
> without capability to rescue something). Also rescue disk +
> reconfiguring + update-grub did nothing.
> Installing lilo gave me a know boot environment, and it worked at
> first try. So: lilo should live!
>
> ciao
> cate
>
>
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