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Re: Bug#484656: Fw: gnome, kde, xfce use non-policy main menu



Hello *,

while reading the forwarded messages in the BTS, I  am  supporting  Bill
to continue maintaining "menu" since the "desktop" is  hit  by  to  many
limitations.

I have an Add-On to "menu" called "tdfvwm-menu" which is  currently  not
updated since I have some problems here in France...

    <http://devel.debian.tamay-dogan.net/tdfvwm-menu/>

However, I will continue updating my package AFTER release of Lenny...

Thanks, Greetings and nice Day/Evening
    Michelle Konzack
    Systemadministrator
    24V Electronic Engineer
    Tamay Dogan Network
    Debian GNU/Linux Consultant



Am 2008-08-15 21:07:08, schrieb Daniel Dickinson:
> 
> 
> Begin forwarded message:
> 
> Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2008 21:44:29 +0200
> From: Bill Allombert <Bill.Allombert@math.u-bordeaux1.fr>
> To: debian-policy@lists.debian.org, debian-devel@lists.debian.org
> Subject: Re: gnome, kde, xfce use non-policy main menu
> 
> 
> On Sun, Jul 06, 2008 at 01:08:40PM -0400, Joey Hess wrote:
> > Josselin Mouette wrote:
> > > Therefore, I still feel that, despite it being a big mess, the
> > > current situation is the best:
> > >       * the default menu contains only what is needed, and we are
> > > still hunting down entries that are useless to make them not show up
> > >         by default;
> > >       * users wanting the Debian menu and its gazillions of entries
> > >         including window managers, terminal emulators and shell
> > >         interpreters can enable it easily in the menu editor;
> > >       * those really wanting only the Debian menu can replace
> > >         gnome-applications.menu by debian-menu.menu.
> > > 
> > > If you want this to change, you need to seriously think about
> > > evolutions to both XDG and Debian menu systems, to convince fd.o
> > > and the Debian menu maintainer to implement them
> > 
> > Actually, no, if you want this to change, you have only to do nothing.
> > 
> > People (many of them MOTUs from Ubuntu in my experience) are filing
> > lots of requestes for random packages to have .desktop files added to
> > them, so they appear in the gnome menu. The criteria seems to be "a
> > program that $RANDOM_USER would like to have on the menu and files a
> > bug about || that $RANDOM_UPSTREAM ships a desktop file for, for
> > whatever reason".
> > 
> > So, after sufficient time, the gnome menu will contain a random
> > assortment of the menu items that also appear in the debian menu. Not
> > a well-chosen and consistent assortment, but the kind of random
> > assortment that you get when you ignore policy and go off on your own
> > way.
> 
> I agree with you, but I am only the 'Debian menu maintainer' and I do
> not have time or interest to maintain the .desktop files in Debian.
> Instead people (not you) ask me transparently to stop maintaining menu
> and maintain the .desktop files instead, but no one is willing to do
> the work. (And of course .desktop is about 10% of the XDG spec).
> 
> Cheers,
> -- 
> Bill. <ballombe@debian.org>
> 
> Imagine a large red swirl here. 
> 
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> now I have the rest of the afternoon to sniff fragrant tea-roses or 
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> 
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