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Re: call for seconds: on firmware



On Sun, Nov 16 2008, Josselin Mouette wrote:

> Le samedi 15 novembre 2008 à 19:39 -0600, Manoj Srivastava a écrit :
>> > Hm, no, the impression that I got from this discussion that at least
>> > several people here think the result of "Further discussion" is:
>> >
>> >     i Do we require source for firmware in main:                 Yes
>> >    ii Do we allow the Release Team to ignore SC violation bugs:  No
>> >   iii What do we do for Lenny:                                   Wait
>> >    iV Do we modify foundation documents:                         No
>> >     v Do we override foundation documents                        No
>> >
>> > and that seems to be consistent with what Manoj is ruling about overrides
>> > of the SC.
>> 
>>         This is my reading, yes. As far as I see, the SC is pretty
>>  clear, and leaves us no other option.
>
> It seems very convenient to decide at the same time that "further
> discussion" equals proposition #1 and that other propositions require
> 3:1 majority.
>
> This means that, if proposition #1 fails to gather 1:1 majority and
> other propositions fail to gather 3:1 (a very likely outcome), you get
> to decide that proposition #1 applies anyway.
>
> It makes me feel uneasy.

        The decision  comes from here:
,----[ The Debian Social Contract ]
| 
|  1. Debian will remain 100% free
| 
|     We provide the guidelines that we use to determine if a work is
|     `free' in the document entitled `The Debian Free Software
|     Guidelines'. We promise that the Debian system and all its
|     components will be free according to these guidelines. 
`----

,----[ The Debian Free Software Guidelines (DFSG) ]
|  2. Source Code
| 
|     The program must include source code, and must allow distribution in
|     source code as well as compiled form.
`----

,----[ The Debian Constitution ]
|      1. A Foundation Document is a document or statement regarded as
|         critical to the Project's mission and purposes.
|      2. The Foundation Documents are the works entitled `Debian Social
|         Contract' and `Debian Free Software Guidelines'.
|      3. A Foundation Document requires a 3:1 majority for its
|         supersession. New Foundation Documents are issued and existing
|         ones withdrawn by amending the list of Foundation Documents in
|         this constitution.
`----

        So, really, we cannot release programs (firmware) in main
 without source code just because a few delegates think we should.


        We can make the argument that the blobs have not been proven to
 be non-source code; however unlikely that is, and turn a blind eye to
 the unlikelyness of them being actual source code while we release
 lenny, or we can change or supersede the foundation documents,
 temporarily or permanently.


        manoj
-- 
"Only the hypocrite is really rotten to the core." Hannah Arendt.
Manoj Srivastava <srivasta@debian.org> <http://www.debian.org/~srivasta/>  
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