Re: RFA: The Debian Jr. project
On Tue, Sep 30, 2008 at 10:30 AM, Holger Levsen <firstname.lastname@example.org>
On Monday 25 August 2008 11:38, Ben Armstrong wrote:
> Thanks. It's hard to let go, but it's really for the best if someone
> else will carry on.
Yup. Has something happened on this in the last month?
> > Is that vision written down somewhere?
> It is probably best expressed on http://wiki.debian.org/DebianJr quoted
Sounds good and compatible :)
> > Because I often think, that Debian Jr. could be(come a) part of Debian
> > Edu. In Etch Debian Edu came with one preconfigured desktop (which is KDE
> > and rather aimed at older students), but now we are in the process of
> > merging with Linex and they have used three (iirc) different gnome
> > desktops (configurations), one for 1st+2nd grade, one for 3rd+4th grade
> > and another one for older students. I'd say that Debian Jr fits in the
> > 0th+1st grade "category" ;-)
> > What do you think?
> While I would not have any problem with that if Edu cared for the
> project and preserved the vision I described above, I have always
> felt my own ideas for Jr had nothing to do with school and might indeed
> by swallowed up by school concerns if we were an arm of the Debian Edu
> project. That is why I kept it a distinct project.
That said, I dont see much of a problem here, or maybe rather, an easy way
out: Debian Edu provides two key features: customisation of the desktop for
pupils/schools and providing a network infrastructure for schools. Debian Jr.
doesnt need the latter at all (or? kindergarten network seems a bit far out
to me atm, maybe its not), but thats no issue, as Debian Edu also already has
And we even have different desktop profiles for standalone installs now: kde,
gnome and sugar. And I would love to extend this to "kde for primary school,
kde for middle classes, kde for high school and university" and the same with
gnome. And then also kde & gnome for kids.
I'd think this would boil down to provide a different installer image or
installation type with the existing image. So basically, a Debian Edu install
with "less overhead", which is not needed for a single^wstandalone kids
> But we're in poor
> shape right now, and the most important thing is that the project go
> forward. How would you propose the distinctiveness of Jr be kept?
See above :)
> do you think children would view Jr if it were an arm of the Edu
> project? In Debian Jr, our focus is the child and the fun of
> discovery. While some progressive educationists claim to hold to these
> values, I worry about how kids would view the Jr project if it were
> absorbed into Edu.
Hm. Honestly, I have no idea how kids see Debian Jr. now, maybe I wonder if
they can see it, as currently afaik its "only" a packaging effort within
Debian, so I dont think it's visible to them. Do you agree? ;)
Basically, to keep Debian Jr. distinct, I would suggest branding :)
So, Debian Jr will be included into Debian Edu?