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Re: Two proposals for a better Lenny (testing related).



On Mon, Jun 11, 2007 at 06:20:17PM -0300, Gustavo Franco wrote:
> I would like to ask you interested in our next release to stop and
> look at 'testing' for a while. I believe that now, during the start of
> a development cycle and during debcamp/debconf we've a interesting
> opportunity to review pros and cons of our current approach.
> 
> We believe that 'testing' means that things shouldn't break as badly
> as in unstable or experimental. That's important understand the
> automatic update concept of unstable and the experimental
> non-automatic nature. In other words use unstable means that upgrade
> is dangerous, use unstable and experimental means that you pick how
> much more of the danger you want from there (experimental).
> 
> Let me outline the 'testing' pros and cons from my point of view:
> 
> pros
> -----
> 
> * testing is under control of release team, it's supposed to be harder
> to a random developer break our next release
> 
> * testing is our 'daily updated' release snapshot
> 
> 
> cons
> -----
> 
> * testing metric is too simple, packages are allowed to enter testing
> only after a certain period of time has passed no matter if much
> people tested it before that and just when they don't have
> release-critical bugs filed  against them.
> 
> * developers and most active contributors are pretty much using only
> stable or unstable and not testing.
> 
> 
> I've two different proposals to address the cons trying to avoid as
> much as possible create new cons, they are:
> 
> 1) The 'remove experimental' proposal
> 
experimental is not a 'full' branch like stable, testing or unstable. It
only has a handfull of package built for it (at least that is what I
have seen from reading debian-devel-changes)
Also, there is no transition from experimental to unstable.
checkout my diagram at http://mysite.verizon.net/kevin.mark/
(there is an older,not updated dia source in spanish if that is
helpful)
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