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Re: Secret changes for binNMUs

On Fri, Nov 25, 2005 at 02:38:32PM +0100, Goswin von Brederlow wrote:
> Michael Banck <mbanck@debian.org> writes:
> > On Thu, Nov 24, 2005 at 06:51:24PM +0100, Goswin von Brederlow wrote:
> >> Wouter Verhelst <wouter@debian.org> writes:
> >> > They were, originally. Ryan's been very active on it since, and it's
> >> > diverged a bit from the code you're maintaining.
> >> 
> >> Then he should send patches and bug reports to the debian
> >> package. 
> >
> > When the sbuild package got orphaned two years ago or so, I asked Ryan
> > whether he would like to maintain it, and he said he was not interested.
> > Which is totally fine for me and about everybody else.
> >
> >> This split between the user/developer visible sbuild and the secret
> >> actual buildd is just not in the spirit of Debian.
> >
> > 1. Please drop the `secret' immediately.  Unless you really want to call
> > http://www.debian.org/devel/buildd `secret'.  That your mail got resent
> > with the this subject to debian-devel-announce is already stressing it
> > *a lot*, IMHO.
> The subject and initial mail is not about sbuild being secret but
> about the overall change for Debian. I think that one is
> justified. Nothing to do with this subthread.

Right, these are two different things.  However, the binNMU change is
mostly/only useful for the release managers and buildd admins, so I fail
to see why not having documented/announced it less than a week after its
implementation should imply it was done in `secret', as those people are
busy with the next library transition. To make this clear, I totally
welcome your post documenting the new binNMU features while the authors
have been too busy to do so for now.

And the existance of the wanna-build/buildd/sbuild packages is not a
secret, either. 

> As for http://www.debian.org/devel/buildd:
> $ grep sbuild http://www.debian.org/devel/buildd
> <em>wanna-build</em> and calls <em>sbuild</em> to build the packages.
> <dt><a href="http://packages.debian.org/sbuild";>sbuild</a></dt>
> This nice public page only points to the nice public sbuild debian
> package. There is no link to the actual sbuild used on buildds.
> Further the links for wanna-build and buildd (which probably
> indirectly included sbuild) are broken: 
> http://m68k.debian.org/buildd/getting.html --> connection refused

The documentation should get fixed, then.

> Did you by chance mean the wanna-build svn link on
> http://buildd.debian.org/?

So it is documented there as well, good.


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