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Re: Debian AMD64 Archive Move

On Sunday 08 May 2005 4:23pm, Goswin von Brederlow wrote:
> Ed Tomlinson <tomlins@cam.org> writes:
> > On Sunday 08 May 2005 09:27, Joerg Jaspert wrote:
> >> On 10283 March 1977, Ed Tomlinson wrote:
> >> >> Whats going on == someone needs to check it. Thats it.
> >> >
> >> > That was the point made by Ed Cogburn.  Its already been checked in
> >> > the other arch!  If this is not the case please explain why.  Without
> >> > that explanation I am forced to agree with Ed - the problem are
> >> > political...  Which is the bane of debian.
> >>
> >> We are *NOT* Debian, thats all you need to get!
> >
> > Ok.  So from what I understand you are worried there are packages that
> > debian can distribute but only debian has the permission...   If this is
> > the case is there not a way you can ask debian to distribute just the non
> > free stuff?  ie.  This project builds the packages from debian sources,
> > debian hosts the non free stuff on one of their servers.
> Who is to say we are allowed to build the binaries?

This isn't an answer to his question.  He's saying why not let the AMD64 
non-free be distributed from a Debian server, since you're original excuse 
was that "you aren't Debian".  The answer is of course that you never even 
bothered to ask "Debian" for help or for a statement about your identity that 
would eliminate any theoretical legal threat.  Hell, you could have just kept 
non-free on alioth and linked to it from AMD64's new location until a 
solution to the problem was found since non-free by itself is very small and 
the move away from alioth was because of space reasons, but no, even keeping 
the old location temporarily wasn't acceptable, non-free had to go, period.  
You saw a chance to get rid of non-free, even though its temporary, even 
though a majority of DDs have officially disagreed with you in a vote, and 
its only result is to annoy the AMD64 users until AMD64 returns to a "Debian" 
server, all because of your extremist ideology.

I've been using Debian since pre-1.0 days when I got it off an Infomagic CD 
when I didn't have regular net access, but the times have changed, certainly 
the people around Debian have.  I never would have thought that Debian would 
reach the point where it would deliberately and **pointlessly** annoy its own 
users because of software religion, instead of just trying to produce the 
best Linux distro possible, but its apparently come to that.  No wonder 
Ubuntu looms large over Debian now, they're taking the best of Debian, but 
leaving behind the religious wars, and they will now gain strength and speed 
as Debian slows down due to endless religious infighting.  Anyway, its been 
fun, but its time to move on now, apparently.  Goodbye all.

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