Re: pine license
On Tue, May 10, 2005 at 01:49:01PM -0400, Jaldhar H. Vyas wrote:
> On Tue, 10 May 2005, Goswin von Brederlow wrote:
> > > Just establish the non-free section and move everything over. If anyone
> > > complains then just drop the package they're complaining about. Of course,
> > > NO ONE is going to complain since they know we will "become" Debian soon
> > > anyway (and for all intents we ARE Debian - just not on their server), and
> > > they've already given Debian permission to distribute. For the rest of
> > > non-free, permission to distribute is not an issue, and not the reason
> > > they're in non-free to begin with.
> > The pine author would for one thing.
> Can we stop with that particular piece of FUD? The authors of Pine have
> no problems with third-party redistribution of of their software as long
The license (attached for archival) very explicitly and carefully does *not*
give permission for for-profit organizations to distribute Pine as part of a
software collection also containing proprietary software. (#1 is non-profit
only, #2 is free-of-charge only, and #3 is non-proprietary only.)
Pine can not be distributed in main, because it does not grant permissions
explicitly required by DFSG#1 and #9, and people distributing Debian depend
on Debian holding to those requirements. Labelling this fact "FUD" is a gross
dismissal of the importance of this.
> as the version number contains an L to show it is not the pristine UW
> version. We don't distribute it because we follow the letter of their
> license which unfortunately doesn't match their intentions and even more
> unfortunately they are not in a hurry to fix. But the authors of Pine
> don't mind at all. They even have a page of links to third party ports 
> for heavens sake!
As the copyright of Pine is owned by UofW, and not the authors of Pine, their
opinion is--unfortuantely!--of little relevance.
In the past, UW has (in my opinion) played deliberate word games to
retroactively revoke the Freeness of a prior Pine license, and this license
is clearly non-free *without* any such stretching or contriving.
Pine License and Legal Notices
Pine and Pico are registered trademarks of the University of Washington. No
commercial use of these trademarks may be made without prior written permission
of the University of Washington.
Pine, Pico, and Pilot software and its included text are Copyright 1989-2005
by the University of Washington.
Use of Pine/Pico/Pilot: You may compile and execute these programs for any
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that locally modified versions be denoted by appending the letter "L" to the
current version number, and that the local changes be enumerated in the
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