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Sven Lu and the Art of Communication [Was, Re: Question for candidate Towns]

On Tue, Apr 05, 2005 at 10:35:56AM +0200, Sven Luther wrote:
> On Wed, Mar 09, 2005 at 06:15:10PM -0800, Steve Langasek wrote:
> > On Thu, Mar 10, 2005 at 12:20:36AM +0100, Sven Luther wrote:
> > > On Tue, Mar 08, 2005 at 03:11:02PM -0800, Steve Langasek wrote:

> > > > This merely underscores the contrast between Anthony's recommendation --
> > > > being resourceful enough to find a way to achieve the things you care about
> > > > when no one is interested in helping you -- and what you've done in this
> > > > case -- whine that a name change on *headers* metapackages that are used
> > > > nowhere in the installer prevented you from improving the quality of that
> > > > installer.

> > > It was a damn typo i oversighted in the 100 version. And the mention that
> > > itmeans a wait in the NEW queue was in no way a whining, but an informative
> > > mention to whoever would look in the svn archive for the package wondering why
> > > this problem (which marked kernel-latest-powerpc uninstallable for almost two
> > > month) was indeed solved and waiting in NEW.

> > > and notice that these packages are not used on powerpc because Kamion didn't
> > > modify base-installer to use them, while they are used (unless i am mistaken)
> > > in the x86 case, and in general are meant to be used, which makes changing
> > > kernel possible without rebuilding the base-installer .udeb, and thus allows
> > > more flexibility.

> > According to the changes file, the changes found in the version of
> > kernel-latest-powerpc that was stuck in NEW were *completely orthogonal* to
> > the use of these kernel-image metapackages could be used from within
> > base-installer.  NEW processing has *nothing* to do with why base-installer
> > wasn't updated, and you are way off-base in blaming the ftpmasters for this.

> Please ask Kamion about this, since he told me he couldn't make the
> base-installer changes because of this.

> Really, you have no clue, why do you speak of these things, and are not even
> capable to communicate with your fellow RMs ?

 <Kamion> to be perfectly honest I don't even remember what I told him any
 more; it didn't seem particularly important at the time. There was
 certainly a bug in the kernel-latest package names, where base-installer
 would have ended up just installing "kernel-image-powerpc" or something for
 2.6 kernels, and I thought that was inappropriate.
 <Kamion> So I did say that I thought things like "kernel-image-2.6-powerpc"
 ought to exist before I would make base-installer use them. It didn't have
 anything to do with kernel-headers

Attached is the full diff between the first version of this package (100)
that you uploaded, which was accepted into the archive on 7 Dec 2004, and
version 101 of the package that sat in the NEW queue for two months.  The
*entirety* of the change is the renaming of the kernel-headers packages,
which was low priority and *absolutely irrelevant to the release and to the
installer*.  The kernel-image-2.4-powerpc and kernel-image-2.6-powerpc
packages were *already in testing at the time version 101 cleared NEW*.

So either Colin misunderstood the state of the kernel-latest-powerpc
packaging at the beginning of the year (which is understandable given that
he says he didn't assign much importance to this issue), or his objections
related to some other problem that was subsequently resolved, or there is a
more subtle bug here that you *still* haven't addressed because you've been
too busy pissing and moaning on mailing lists about how the evil ftpmasters
have thwarted you by delaying your super-critical header package updates.

The only thing more preposterous than claiming Colin told you the kernel
headers had to be changed for the installer, is your unquestioning
acceptance that such a change was needed.

And you have the audacity to tell me that *I* have no clue and can't

Fuck you.

Steve Langasek
postmodern programmer
diff -Nru /tmp/pTI7iT3RQn/kernel-latest-powerpc-100/debian/changelog /tmp/jxTocOw1zm/kernel-latest-powerpc-101/debian/changelog
--- /tmp/pTI7iT3RQn/kernel-latest-powerpc-100/debian/changelog	2004-12-03 06:53:19.000000000 -0800
+++ /tmp/jxTocOw1zm/kernel-latest-powerpc-101/debian/changelog	2005-01-12 08:38:25.000000000 -0800
@@ -1,3 +1,10 @@
+kernel-latest-powerpc (101) unstable; urgency=low
+  * Typo in debian/control created kernel-headers-2.[46]-powerpc instead of
+    kernel-headers-2.[46]. Fixing this means another wait in the NEW queue :(
+ -- Sven Luther <luther@debian.org>  Wed, 12 Jan 2005 17:40:59 +0100
 kernel-latest-powerpc (100) unstable; urgency=high
   * Created powerpc version.
diff -Nru /tmp/pTI7iT3RQn/kernel-latest-powerpc-100/debian/control /tmp/jxTocOw1zm/kernel-latest-powerpc-101/debian/control
--- /tmp/pTI7iT3RQn/kernel-latest-powerpc-100/debian/control	2004-12-03 06:53:19.000000000 -0800
+++ /tmp/jxTocOw1zm/kernel-latest-powerpc-101/debian/control	2005-01-12 08:50:30.000000000 -0800
@@ -6,7 +6,7 @@
 Standards-Version: 3.6.1
 Build-Depends: debhelper (>= 4)
-Package: kernel-headers-2.6-powerpc
+Package: kernel-headers-2.6
 Architecture: powerpc
 Section: devel
 Priority: optional
@@ -15,7 +15,7 @@
  This package will always depend on the latest 2.6 kernel headers available
  for powerpc, including power3, power4 and G5.
-Package: kernel-headers-2.4-powerpc
+Package: kernel-headers-2.4
 Architecture: powerpc
 Section: devel
 Priority: optional
@@ -24,7 +24,7 @@
  This package will always depend on the latest 2.4 kernel headers available
  for powerpc, including power3, power4 and G5.
-Package: kernel-headers-powerpc
+Package: kernel-headers
 Architecture: powerpc
 Section: devel
 Priority: optional
diff -Nru /tmp/pTI7iT3RQn/kernel-latest-powerpc-100/debian/rules /tmp/jxTocOw1zm/kernel-latest-powerpc-101/debian/rules
--- /tmp/pTI7iT3RQn/kernel-latest-powerpc-100/debian/rules	2004-12-03 06:53:19.000000000 -0800
+++ /tmp/jxTocOw1zm/kernel-latest-powerpc-101/debian/rules	2005-01-12 08:50:30.000000000 -0800
@@ -45,7 +45,7 @@
 	dh_builddeb --package=$*
-%.binary-arch: kernel-headers-2.6-powerpc.binary-arch-pkg kernel-headers-2.4-powerpc.binary-arch-pkg kernel-headers-powerpc.binary-arch-pkg kernel-image-2.6-%.binary-arch-pkg kernel-image-2.4-%.binary-arch-pkg kernel-image-%.binary-arch-pkg
+%.binary-arch: kernel-headers-2.6.binary-arch-pkg kernel-headers-2.4.binary-arch-pkg kernel-headers.binary-arch-pkg kernel-image-2.6-%.binary-arch-pkg kernel-image-2.4-%.binary-arch-pkg kernel-image-%.binary-arch-pkg
 # Build architecture-dependent files here.

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