Re: Bug#39830: [AMENDMENT]: get rid of undocumented(7) symlinks
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- Subject: Re: Bug#39830: [AMENDMENT]: get rid of undocumented(7) symlinks
- From: Manoj Srivastava <firstname.lastname@example.org>
- Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 20:00:27 -0600
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- In-reply-to: <20021113202203.GA17866@starless.xtnet> (Chris Waters's message of "Wed, 13 Nov 2002 12:22:03 -0800")
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>>"Chris" == Chris Waters <email@example.com> writes:
Chris> On Wed, Nov 13, 2002 at 12:14:50AM -0600, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
>> There is a proposal under consideration for changing the
>> undocumented(7) man page. The current proposal is included below; it
>> is not yet the final form; and input of the general community is
Chris> Excuse me? This is an old proposal which has been much debated and
Chris> much revised.
I did not say it was a new proposal.
Chris> It was also generally well-received, and I'm not quite sure
Chris> how it slipped between the cracks for so long.
*Shrug*. Since only one or two of the supposewd set of 5 or 6
policy editors were active at any given time, things got done when
there was time, and some stuff did tend to slip between the cracks.
Chris> Colin's new revision was proposed on Oct 30, and he suggested
Chris> two weeks debate (which seems more than fair since this was
Chris> already an old proposal). Some minor changes
Chris> (i.e. s/must/should/) were proposed by me and Mark Brown, and
Chris> since the discussion period IS NOW UP, the text posted by
Chris> Manoj to -devel (which incorporates the minor changes) IS
Chris> INDEED THE FINAL FORM!
Well, no, since Colin agreed that editorial changes to the
SGML were indeed permissible.
Chris> The decision to forward this to -devel (and to make misleading
Chris> claims about its status)
Chris> seems to have been a unilateral decision on Manoj's part. If
Of course it was. And I reserve the right to forward matrerial
on a public mailing list to any other mailing list as I feel desrves
to be forwarded. If you think that such unilateral action is
unwarranted, you do not understand how mailing lists work.
Chris> he weren't professing his own love for the proposal, I would
Chris> suspect an underhanded attempt to undermine the proposal for
Chris> reasons unstated.
My, my. We are paranoid, aren't we?
Chris> If I were really paranoid, I'd speculate about why the policy
Chris> editors ignored the earlier versions of this proposal, which,
Chris> after much debate, *was accepted*! But I won't go there.
You already have. If your opinion mattered to me, perhaps I
would respond substantively.
Chris> But I am perturbed by Manoj's attempt to drag the debate out
Chris> further when this proposal has been debated to death since
Chris> June of 1999! And all objections have been answered or
Chris> addressed. And it has a full complement (more than) of proper
Chris> seconds already, and no remaining objections.
Well, I think because getting input from the general developer
body is never a bad idea. I think that major changes in packaging
ought to receive wider circulation than just the policy list.
Chris> I am also perturbed that Manoj, who WROTE our current policy
Chris> update policy seems to be completely and deliberately ignoring
Chris> that policy with his post to -devel. Manoj, what gives? (If
Chris> you actually object to the proposal, please, object!)
Also, because I am more interested in doing the right thing,
and looking at the spirit of the consensus building process, rather
than being a rules lawyer. You do agree that resolving any flaws we
may have overlooked is more important than not missing a deadline,
And stop being paranoid. This is not an adversarial situation
(unless you make it so), the idea is to et to the best solution we
Chris> Anyway, while I have no objections to input from -devel
Chris> readers, I have to say that anyone who's concerned about how
Chris> changes in policy may affect them should already be subscribed
Chris> to -policy.
Yeah, in an ideal world. But most often policy issues are not
of interest to the wider body of developers. Once in a while, a topic
that may have wider impact comes along, and then we inform -devel,
and ask for input.
This policy is not going to change.
Chris> Now, if this were my proposal, I might allow a further three
Chris> days discussion, out of respect for Manoj. I think three days
Chris> is more than adequate for a three-year-old proposal. But at
Chris> this point, it's Colin's proposal, and unless *he* decides to
Chris> extend the debate, I think this proposal lives or dies TODAY!
Chris> (And with many seconds and no objections, that means it
Thankfully, you do not decide when things die.
Gold, n.: A soft malleable metal relatively scarce in distribution.
It is mined deep in the earth by poor men who then give it to rich
men who immediately bury it back in the earth in great prisons,
although gold hasn't done anything to them. Mike Harding, "The
Armchair Anarchist's Almanac"
Manoj Srivastava <firstname.lastname@example.org> <http://www.debian.org/%7Esrivasta/>
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