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Re: hurd does NOT need /hurd


On Sat, May 25, 2002 at 03:58:26PM +0200, Wouter Verhelst wrote:
> On Sat, 25 May 2002, Fabian Sturm wrote:
> > 
> > I really get mad when I hear that the sysadmin owns the machine and pays
> > for its used resources. Whenever I worked somewhere and I had a sysadmin
> > it was the sysadmin who got payed by me and wouldnt be there if 
> > we wouldnt work with the computers and need them.
> > And I lost so much time (which means money) just because the sysadmin
> > thought I wouldnt need this or that feature or similar.
> Remember that every story has two sides.
> If a sysadmin allows too many freedoms to a user, you're likely to end up
> in big problems. Clueless users trying to 'play' with a system can
> accidentally make a mistake and fry the work of hundreds of co-workers
> without the intend of doing so.

I didnt say that the system should make it possible to mess 
with other peoples data, but I should be able to play in my own 
environment without limitation.
One solution would be that every user runs an emulator on its own
in which he installs his prefered OS but that would be very slow
I think.

> Such an 'accident' will not only mean extra work (and thus extra money
> being spent) for a sysadmin, but in the worst case a whole bunch of *lost*
> work that will need to be redone. That's a lot more than you losing a few
> minutes -- or in case of an overworked or bureaucratic sysadmin team, a
> few days -- waiting for the sysadmin doing that job for you.

I dont talk about minutes I talk about months and the need to 
discuss with the sysadmin why I need a special feature and that
cant be.

An example: I wanted xemacs on macosx, because I am used to it.
So I asked the sysadmin to install it for me but he replied
that I should use one of the currently installed editors.
And now you think why I didnt install emacs on my own.
Was not possible because the same sysadmin has set a very low,
for me not reasonable, quota so I can only have my user data
or emacs installed but never edit my user data with emacs....

So thats just one silly example why I think
sysadmins shouldnt have more rights then user just the OS should
have the proper security mechanisms.

Sincerly fabian

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