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Re: Bug#138541: ITP: debian-sanitize (was Re: inappropriate racist and other offensive material)



On Sat, Mar 16, 2002 at 04:52:19PM -0500, Jeff Licquia wrote:
> On Sat, 2002-03-16 at 15:39, Steve Langasek wrote:
> > I object to using any subjective method (such as popular vote) for 
> > determining which packages should be conflicted with in such a package.  

> OK; we can scratch the Conflicts: part unless someone else can give a
> good reason to have it.  The package can act like vrms, and provide a
> report of some kind.  Perhaps the package could also take configuration
> (adding or removing packages for personal preference), and could
> possibly produce a package via equivs or some such for those who want
> it.

> > In addition, if you use the simple criterion of having Debian developers 
> > indicate whether they find a given package offensive, I think the only 
> > two packages you'll get a majority of developers to say they find 
> > offensive are vi and emacs.

> True.  Unfortunately, when you're talking about something as subjective
> as offense, there aren't many good classification systems that won't
> themselves be offensive to someone.  Democratic vote strikes me as one
> of the few that's hard to challenge.

Who, then, becomes the target audience for such a package?  How can 
users tell if this package is something they want if all they know is 
that it measures how much stuff offends Debian Developers?  Bad code 
offends Debian Developers; broken licenses offend Debian Developers.  By 
and large, swear words do not offend Debian Developers.

A democratic vote is difficult to challenge precisely because it's a BAD 
metric here.  The only thing you're measuring is how much DD's like or 
dislike certain things.  It neither guarantees that the excluded 
packages are offensive to a given user, nor gives a user the means to 
find out if he shares the values of the DDs who voted.

>  - Most developers, joking aside, are capable of distinguishing between
> technical preference and moral repugnance.

The more important assumption at issue here is that it's worthwhile to 
have a group of DDs decide on behalf of others what does or does not 
constitute an 'offensive' package, without being subjected to open 
review.

Steve Langasek
postmodern programmer

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