Re: Packages still using /usr/doc in unstable
On Tue, 27 Mar 2001, Sean 'Shaleh' Perry wrote:
> >
> > No! It is the responsibility of the person doing the NMU to contact the
> > maintainer. The maintainer is responsible for closing bugs when they are
> > fixed.
> >
>
> Dale, it is the responsibility of every developer to interact with the BTS. It
> is the ONLY way the average person has to know what the status of a bug is.
That is not what this is about!
I interact with the BTS as much as it lets me, but from my perspective it
was much better at keeping me in the loop in years past than it is today.
>
> I work with a sysadmin who submits quite a few bugs. Every now and then he
> comes by and asks me about them because the maintainer never bothered to mail
> him, or did 8 months ago promising a fix 'any day now'. This is not how we
> should treat our users. Developers are just another class of users in my book.
So, I don't see a point here...
>
> So every now and then, read your bugs, tag them 'cantfix' or 'needinfo'. Mail
> the bug and add info about the upstream not having any ideas how to fix this.
> Every shred of info a developer adds to a bug makes it easier for someone else
> to help fix it or decide it is a lost cause.
Gee daddy, thanks for all the corrections to my broken work ethic.
This isn't about the relationship between developers and users. This is
strictly an intra developer issue. If my fellow developers don't have
enough respect for my efforts for Debian to contact me before an NMU then
what the fuck am I doing this work for anyway?
This just encourages developers to "quitly drop their packages" and let qa
fix them on the next BSP. You obviously don't need the maintainer to do
anything any more...
>
> I am not saying someone doing a NMU should not mail the maint.
Yes, you are, because that is all I'm asking for.
I consider that
> quite rude. However, waiting a week for a response is just not worthwhile.
I almost always answer my mail within 24 hours. Sending me a heads up
takes about 3 minutes. I was never given such a heads up. That's all I
want, and you continue to talk about other things.
It
> is often better to ask forgiveness than permission is the quote. A developer
Not when it undermines the desire to contribute.
> who does not want his packages touched should do everything he can to let
> people know there is no need for a NMU. Otherwise Debian is acting in its own
> best interest by removing bugs.
Not by discouraging developers from working on their own packages.
>
> Sometimes, we have to let our own emotions and attachments to packages go for
> the better good of Debian as a whole.
And sometimes this group looses site of the reason most of us are here,
which is to be contributing members. Solutions that reject developers
efforts, and ignore their rights to control the maintainance of their
packages undermine the very framework of that contribution.
I don't get paid for this work. About the only thing I _do_ get in return
is respect. This ain't it.
Luck,
Dwarf
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