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Re: General Resolution: Removing non-free

Alex Romosan <romosan@adonis.lbl.gov> writes:

> > I agree completely that non-free is no longer compatible with
> > Debian's goals. Netscape is the only non-free software i still
> > use, and with each nightly build of Mozilla i come closer to
> > having a completely free system.
> i thought that the goal was to provide a technically superior
> distribution which can be used by as many people as possible. not

Debian's distribution does not have non-free now.

> everybody uses debian on their home toy box for web surfing. i guess
> you don't use java (or any of the other programs in non-free), but
> some of us do (and we don't have a choice). when i started using
> debian some five years ago it was because (amongst other reasons), as
> the social contract states:

Wonder why you can't use non-free just because it's not on debian.org?

>    4. Our Priorities are Our Users and Free Software
>                          ^^^^^^^^^
> over the years the users have been marginalized and the emphasis has
> been put more and more on free software. so when you remove free

This is false.  The two are not mutually exclusive.  Debian is founded
upon principles of Free Software and that is where we should stay.  Do
you think that we should just give up on Debian and distribute Windows
because more people want it?

> software also make sure to remove all references to giving priorities
> to users. you don't! all you care about is your own stupid perception
> of life and nothing else. the users be damned. and if your are such a
> free software zealot, then why the fuck do you use netscape? is it
> because you have no choice, or is it because you are a little
> hypocrite (or both)? you can't have your cake and eat it too.

I do not get my Netscape from non-free -- it's not there.  Removing
non-free will not mean that people can't use these things.  Removing
non-free will mean that Debian won't support them.

I do use Netsape.  I do use Mozilla more now, that it's compiling for
Alpha ok.

> if you don't want to use non-free software, then don't use it but
> please don't tell me how to live my life. i'll make my choices, and if
> this resolution passes i guess it will be time for me to leave the
> project and find another distribution to use. too bad because i really
> liked debian.

I'm not.  You can use non-free software all you want.  Why do people
continuously fallaciously assume that removing non-free software from
debian.org will suddenly mean that it will disappear from the entire

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