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How not to be a nice person (Was: Re: Packages should not Conflict on the basis of duplicate functionality)

Just to make sure we are all clear here:
I have cc'ed the listmaster and I am angry and insulted.  On the flip
side, I am trying very hard to be calm and collected and (most importantly
in my mind) fair.  The subject is deliberatly melodramatic.

On Fri, Oct 01, 1999 at 08:47:20PM +1000, Craig Sanders wrote:
[wrote lots of mean, insulting offensive things]

For those tuning in late, here is the archive url for my letter to
debian-devel, and Craig Sanders` response:


In short, a summary (admittedly from my point of view) follows:
In a discussion on whether network daemons should do one of the following:
a) Simply start up, grabbing any ports it needs (most do this)
b) Not start up (a few do this)
c) Ask about what ports to grab and whether to start up (some do this)

This letter is to make it public that I think Craig has gone too far.  He
has hurt my feelings and has been very insulting to everyone in
debian-devel.  And this is not the way to get things done.

Craig's opinion is direct:
Things should stay the same.  If someone installs a package, they are
expecting it to run.  Everything else is a special case requiring extra
work on the part of the user.

However, Craig's arguments have become increasingly hostile and insulting,
building up to the message mentioned above.  Being mean and insulting are
not ways to get your point across. 

I took care in my message above to remove anything offensive towards
Craig.  Unfortunately Craig didn't do the same.

Perhaps Craig didn't mean it that way.  Perhaps he did feel persicuited or
attacked.  Not everyone's message was super polite.  Including mine.  But
even so, I think he went beyond limit.

I decided that I should check out some of his messages.  Many are usefull,
but woe to anyone who doesn't understand him or even worse doesn't
understand him *and* disagrees him!
Two Examples:

Fustratingly, he does bring usefull information to this mailing list and
have points that should be heard.  Just not with the meanness and rudeness
exhibited above.

It is my hope that Craig Sanders reads this and thinks about what he has
done and why.

Till then I am
	Christian Holtje (aka docwhat@gerf.org)

Nobody said computers were going to be polite.
The Doctor What: A Holtje Production             http://docwhat.gerf.org/
docwhat@gerf.org                    (finger docwhat@gerf.org for PGP key)

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