Re: Discussion - Proposed Constitution - voting part 2
On 09-Oct-98 Ian Jackson wrote:
> A.6(5)(iii):
> This elimination procedure is repeated, moving down ballot papers to
> 2nd, 3rd, 4th, etc. preferences as required, until one option gets
> more than half of the `first' preferences.
>
> It seems to me to be clear that the intent is that if a ballot has no
> remaining preferences then it doesn't count when considering which
> option might have "more than half of the `first' preferences". Such a
> ballot couldn't be said to have a "`first' preference" any more,
> surely ?
Actually, I've seen the STV method done in such a way that after a ballot
loses all it's "first preferences" it is still counted as a no-preference (ie.
as an abstention of sorts) hence my question. I think any questions on this
can be settled by president but, as of yet, we don't have president so I
thought I'd ask.
> A.6(8):
> 8.If a quorum is required, there must be at least that many votes
> which prefer the winning option to the default option. If there
> are not then the default option wins after all. For votes requiring
> a supermajority, the actual number of Yes votes is used when
> checking whether the quorum has been reached.
>
> The "winning option" here refers to the outcome of steps 1-7, clearly,
I've learned, the hard way, that "clearly" usually doesn't apply to things like
this. They turn out to be worm holes to cause problems :(
> and 8 is intended to _modify_ the outcome. So, if Concorde doesn't
> produce a clear-cut answer we use STV amongst the remaining options,
> and then we have a putative `winner'. If this winner didn't actually
> have enough ballots which prefer it to the default, then the default
> option is declared the winner. There's nothing saying we should go
> and restart the ballot counting with STV instead, or something. The
Yes. I saw my mistake as I was reading and rereading the constituion. But
since nobody commented on the thread, I just let the matter drop instead of
correcting my assuptions to the list.
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