Re: Let's be friends. (Non-maintainer uploads made easier)
On 24 Oct 1997, Kai Henningsen wrote:
It seems to me that you're taking this wrong.
I don't think it is not about forcing, impeding, denying, enabling or
whatever such, it is only ment to stimulate. Thus, no enforcments should
be made at all, as I see it. I don't even care about a "Friends: " listing
at all - I don't see the specific need really.
Please could you read it in that spirit? And then comment again maybe?
> We already _can_ make non-maintainer uploads just fine.
>
> > > Joost> People can be "friend" for multiple packages, which should
> > > Joost> improve communication between packages.
>
> They don't need a Friends: listing for that, they can already do it today.
Yes, I agree that they can. The proposal should facilitate it. There is
nothing wrong with that is there?
> > > Joost> Packages can have a "friend" who _does_ still have a libc5
> > > Joost> system to develop on.
>
> They don't need a Friends: listing for that, they can already do it today.
Yes, but how often does it happen?
Wouldn't it be better if it would be done with a better chance of a more
active cooperation from the maintainer?
> > > Joost> Mailinglists called <package>@lists.debian.org can be used for
> > > Joost> "friends" of <package>.
>
> They don't need a Friends: listing for that, they can already do it today.
Tell me about all such lists that currently exist then, please.
If there were a standard mechanism whereby for each package there would be
a list package@lists.debian.org, analogous to package@debian.org, then all
mail (bugs) to the latter could be forwarded to the former address.
Upstream maintainers, not necessarily involved in Debian, might be
interested in subscribing to such a list.
> > > Joost> Beginning maintainers can partake in "friendships" to learn the
> > > Joost> tricks of the trade.
>
> They don't need a Friends: listing for that, they can already do it today.
Oh. That wasn't very clear to me before.
> > > Joost> A Debian-general core team can be declared "friend" of all
> > > Joost> packages, just in case.
>
> We don't have a "core team". ISTR that last time this idea was discussed,
> it didn't draw that much support.
Ok, so that might be a step too many. Scrap that one then, if you like.
> > > Joost> Policy can be implemented for important packages to have at
> > > Joost> least x friends.
>
> Or else what? In any case, currently, the friends are listed in the debian-
> keyring.
But they are not all equally involved as the maintainer is. Currently, he
is the only one of whom involvement on a non ad hoc basis can be expected.
> > > Joost> People involved in porting can become a "friend" of the package
> > > Joost> they are porting.
>
> They don't need a Friends: listing for that, they can already do it today.
Sure they can and if they don't like to they just don't. That wouldn't
have to change would it.
Cheers,
Joost
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