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Re: ae's vi attempt on boot disks stomps on real vi symlink

	I have kept off this thread since I *hate* getting on yet
 another editor jihad, which this has all the symptoms of
 becoming. But the following exchange got my goat ...

Karl> I think that an experienced unix person will fully understand the
Karl> newbie's predicament, and that it's a given to them that `Emacs`
Karl> and `vi` will be available. They will quickly see that when
Karl> `dselect` is run during the install process.

Craig> we have already had several reports of people who have looked
Craig> at installing debian (or been shown it by debian users) but
Craig> decided against using it because vi wasn't on the base
Craig> disks. they didn't bother even getting to the stage of running
Craig> dselect.

	I think that reaction is unreasonable. If these people are so
 incompetent that they base techncal decisions on so little evidence,
 I do not think it is reasonable to expect us to bend over backwards
 to cater to their whims. 

	It is not as if Debian does not contain vi -- we are talking
 about a ``crippled'' system, in a sense, because on a first initial
 install that's what a system is -- it is not a complete system

	And yes, I consider my self an experienced unix person, and I
 have been stuch using cat, grep, and ed on professional machines when
 things screwed up royally -- or during initial install, when I wanted
 to configure the system *my* way (Ultrix, HP-UNIX, Dec OSF-1. and
 Digital Unix). 

	I think Really experienced Unix people are used to not
 having vi available during emergency/installation periods. How many
 commercial unices have vi on / anyway?

	manoj. slightly incensed.

 That is the key to history.  Terrific energy is expended --
 civilizations are built up -- excellent institutions devised; but
 each time something goes wrong. Some fatal flaw always brings the
 selfish and cruel people to the top, and then it all slides back into
 misery and ruin.  In fact, the machine conks.  It seems to start up
 all right and runs a few yards, and then it breaks down. Lewis
Manoj Srivastava               <url:mailto:srivasta@acm.org>
Mobile, Alabama USA            <url:http://www.datasync.com/%7Esrivasta/>

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