Le lundi 31 août 2015, 14:35:41 Markus Koschany a écrit :
> I think free software games don't need to compete commercially with
> other games and most ones don't even want to. Most FOSS games are
> developed by one, rarely by two or more developers in their free time.
Some people also find it funnier to write the game or package it
thant actually playing it ;-)
> So the comparison is a bit flawed because commercial game developers can
> work full-time or they have the financial backing of a larger games
> company. There is simply no chance that you can develop games like DOTA2
> or World of Warcraft in your spare time.
> ...
> I think that is a viable business model for FOSS games.
Then one buy a house in Beverly Hills and get a sad ;-)
http://ask.slashdot.org/story/15/08/31/1615219/ask-slashdot-what-would-you-do-if-you-were-suddenly-wealthy
I remember that after installing Linux, first thing to do was to
install Netscape 4.7; also remember having to use non-free
graphic driver. I'm glad that the only remaining thing
that I can't solve with OSS are some game leaf-packages.
> Now, let me get back to what this has to do with g-d-p and how we can
> promote it. I think it would be interesting to know why there is a free
> contrib-engine X without free artwork. Some background information about
> the game and the community, comparisons to other FOSS games and links
> might spice everything up and would make g-d-p more visible on the web.
I've added this list on Steam
https://steamcommunity.com/groups/debian_gdp#curation
While I was only interrested in the list feature;
I realize a group of one feels lame & lonely so please join.
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> .. on the web
For a desktop version; that's basicaly asking to merge "goplay" tool functionnality within g-d-p.
Having two tools that does roughly the same thing on two different
sets of games sharing sometimes the same engines can be confusing.
http://debaday.debian.net/wp-content/uploads/2008/12/1390_large.png
Then we could had a big checkbox "also show non-free games"
or some other way to educate users.
We could start with a games-thumbnails-nonfree package
(following same logic as games-thumbnails);
I guess a 320x240 screenshot can be considered fair-use; even if non-free.
g-d-p packager should also provide some added value by itself
that can't be done on a web site:
- a gui that list all games & can tag the ones already installed
or owned on some webstore
- grab the regionalized prices listed at different competing shops, maybe monitor those
- then when user has made it choice; automate at most the remaining steps:
- open browser
- add thing to order cart
- buy it
- download it with lgogdownloader / steamcmd
- wait that upload is done
- create the .deb
- apt-get from 1.1 will automaticaly pull in the matching free or contrib engine
I thought of stealing some stuff from this Ubuntu software center thing:
https://apps.ubuntu.com/cat/applications/software-center/
It's LGPL-3 so why not:
http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-branches/ubuntu/wily/software-center/wily/files
> A blend could be just the metapackage(s) and a homepage.
> A nice feature of the blends approach is that you
> get a homepage like http://blends.debian.org/games/tasks/finest for free
> by just declaring a few packages in your task file.
But these G-D-P packages never land in the official archives;
how could the blend know about them ? They would just come
up as some random virtual packages.
> Of course the designcould be improved but you also have
> the opportunity to combine your HTML
> page for g-d-p with automatically generated blends pages. I think this
> would be one way to promote game-data-packager.
The screenshots are nice +, that should be team-maintained (games-thumbnails-nonfree)
Popcon score are nice extra too & those are even available for non-official packages;
they just can't be graphed on popcon website.
I have already played a bit with those; but it was a bit deceptive because as it seems:
-) there is sometimes a x3 to x10 factor between Ubuntu & Debian users
-) ubuntu stats are "Last generated on Sun Apr 19", so are useless for new packages
Maybe gathering usages scores from Steam or GOG would be more meaningfull.
Calculating a adoption rate of gdp-deb / engine-deb could be nice too;
but would only be reliable for single game engine (rott, tyrian).
For example, for 35 opentyrian users; only 13 have tyrian-data (?)
--- popcon_20150831.txt 2015-08-31 14:08:54.205400223 +0200
+++ popcon_20150901.txt 2015-09-01 15:14:43.216009980 +0200
@@ -1,15 +1,15 @@
Package Debian Ubuntu
----------------------------------------------------
- doom-wad-shareware 335 11151
- quake3-data 87 7248
- quake-registered 33 27
- doom-wad 32 78
- doom2-wad 32 139
+ doom-wad-shareware 337 11151
+ quake3-data 89 7248
+ quake-registered 35 27
+ doom-wad 34 78
+ doom2-wad 34 139
duke3d-shareware 22 379
- quake2-full-data 18 1
+ quake2-full-data 19 1
+ plutonia-wad 16 39
+ tnt-wad 16 33
wolf3d-data-wl1 16 78
- plutonia-wad 15 39
- tnt-wad 14 33
tyrian-data 13 0
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