Re: FYI: debian-legal is discussing the inclusion in the Debian archive of "erotic" interactive fiction depicting the sexual abuse of children
Bas Wijnen <wijnen@debian.org> writes:
> I'll start with the news that I have changed my mind on sponsoring this.
> (Sorry about that, Nils, I hope you understand.) People whose opinion I
> highly value of asked this; thank you for that advice. I thought many
> people were misunderstanding the game, but given Jo's context I might
> have been wrong about that; I just didn't see most of the controversial
> parts during my test.
Based on your description and you being able to speak German I thought
you have seen the most controversial parts of the story (sexual abuse,
Mohammed, no way to get to a “good” ending). Unteralterbach, however,
has lots of content – I, for example, have not yet found any sex scene
with the demon girl Jo mentioned.
While I *do* think many people are misunderstanding the game, I do not
think that it matters when discussing a social taboo like sexual abuse.
It is the nature of a social taboo that people can already be outraged
by mentioning its subject matter in any other way than “this is so bad
we should not even discuss this”. Some people on Twitter are actually
outraged by this discussion because it has been mostly a civil matter.
> In any case, the reason I changed my mind is not that I wanted to "pick
> a different fight", as was suggested by Russ. I didn't want to have any
> fight at all. I wasn't trying to "defend free speech"; what I saw of
> this game (assuming sex scenes are removed) was simply a good game with
> a controversial subject. Nothing too worrying, and I didn't expect the
> response to be anything like this.
Same here. I thought repeatedly declaring to not distribute sex scenes
through Debian would calm down people, but this does not seem the case.
I am still thinking what to make out of it. I think one lesson is to
prepare a more in-depth review beforehand and discuss it privately the
next time I propose to package something that people may find offensive.
Unrelated: Would you be willing to sponsor my package redo? It is a
build in several hundred lines of bourne shell designed by DJB.
> I still think many people are overreacting, but perhaps that's what we
> should expect from people outside of Debian as well. Regardless, I am
> not willing to take part in this fight.
I understand this – you have little to gain from fighting here. While I
personally can laugh about being compared to Hitler [1] and Poettering
[2], upstream is already being harrassed through an abuse report. I have
also recently received an answer to a complaint that a cheese pizza [3]
I ordered was faulty (?), despite having not ordered pizza or complained
about it recently.
[1] <https://twitter.com/mjg59/status/444010244339818497>
[2] People told me Unteralterbach is not as bad as systemd . ;)
[3] “Cheese Pizza” is “harmless” internet slang for both “Cartoon
Pornography” and “Child Porn”: <https://encyclopediadramatica.es/CP>
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Nils Dagsson Moskopp // erlehmann
<http://dieweltistgarnichtso.net>
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