Hi Tobias, On Sun, 28. Oct 00:21 Tobias Hansen <thansen@debian.org> wrote: > I think it's a great idea to look after all orphaned games in Debian and > eventually request their removal if nobody wants to incorporate them > into the team. Thanks for supporting my idea. > There is a huge amount of mini-games in Debian and a lot of redundancy. > As long as no bugs are piling up, that's not really a problem, but it > means that the decision to let go certain games can be easier. > > The date of the last upload or when upstream died does not matter if the > game works well, because I don't think the value of a game depends on > the frequency of updates. Reasons to remove a game are I fully agree with you here. Just to make my intentions clear, * I'm only talking about games which are already orphaned, most of them for a very long time. Of course later we could and probably should extend the idea by scouting for abandoned games and then applying the rules of common sense and your criteria. * It's not just about package quality but also and more important the quality of the game itself. Most important aspects for me are gameplay and fun factor. Very subjective, i know, hence my mail to all. * Some games were maintained by the Games Team. Obviously prior to the process of orphaning the packages, it was agreed that they should be removed after three months, if nobody else was interested in adopting them. This never happened. So my post was also some kind of reminder. * As far as i understand the removal process, average joe cannot simply request it. I've read http://wiki.debian.org/ftpmaster_Removals Because i'm neither the maintainer nor part of the QA-Team, i thought it would be a good idea to create some kind of reference for the ftp masters. > I think all the games you mentioned can be considered for removal. BTW, > XBoing works here. I would add xbill (same as stepbill.app, yes > "outdated" is spot on for a game about killing Bill Gates :)) to the list. Thanks for also mentioning xbill. I'm in favor of adding this game, too. Strange: XBoing tells me "No access to sound device: No such file or directory Can't init soundIt library. yech.." Quite a show-stopper for me here. > Another problem are mini-games that are added to the upload queue. Right > now we say "package it and we will probably review and upload". But > nobody wants to review yet another mini-game like watermelons or no-dice > which are currently wasting away on the queue. The people who packaged > them will maybe never package anything again. Maybe we should tell them > to first ask the list if there's a potential sponsor, at least for > mini-games. I also think removing poor quality packages and games is a chance for developers to focus on more interesting problems. At some point in the future somebody has to work on an orphaned package but i don't like the idea that he or she wastes her time with completely outdated games. Of course DD's should sponsor packages all day long. :-) Regards, Markus
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