On Sun, Nov 17, 2002 at 11:17:30PM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote: > On Fri, Nov 15, 2002 at 11:36:23PM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote: > > > > > 2) it has slowly been trending down. (with a bubble up in sid) > > > > 115 < 227 < 298 < 307 > > > 298 > 293 > 272 > > Isn't it fun ignoring the figures that don't match your prejudices? I haven't prejudged anything. I'm interpreting the numbers as best I can. More data would be welcome. Do we know what the counts for unstable packages in non-free were at the time of release of slink, potato, and woody? > > These numbers point up two problems with opposition to the GR: > > 1) What good are non-free packages doing our users if an ever-increasing > > proportion of them are only available in unstable? > > That remark doesn't have any supporting evidence. There are more non-free packages in unstable now than there have ever been in any release. It is, at the very least, suggestive. What is your alternative explanation of the figures? > > 2) The "bubble up in sid" indicates people's growing interest in > > *maintaining* non-free packages, if nothing else. > > Uh, it's a 5% increase, compared to a 20% increase in contrib and a 15% > increase in main. This soon after woody's release -- and given it's in > direct contradiction of a multi year trend since early 1999 -- that's > closer to "experimental error" than "underlying trend". Unless you have > some supporting data you'd care to share, of course? I've been compiling a list of non-free ITPs since January 1st, 2002. There appears to have been a distinct upward trend in the past six months. I haven't finished January--March yet (I've been working backwards). > In any event, if more people really are interested in maintaining non-free > packages, that's an argument to keep non-free around rather than have > them waste their time setting up alternative infrastructure. The question > here isn't simply one of mechanism -- "do we drop non-free now, or let > it die?". Where is the evidence that it will "die" at all? It's been growing. -- G. Branden Robinson | We either learn from history or, Debian GNU/Linux | uh, well, something bad will branden@debian.org | happen. http://people.debian.org/~branden/ | -- Bob Church
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