It seems to me that folks are overlooking one of the fundamental points of system administration Not everone who administers a system, or supports that system, is an expert. Some are just dumped into it, others are for soime unknown reason looked to as an authority. Regardless, the point is, not everyone using Debian GNU/Linux is a profesional admin. I will agree that Debian cannot change to suit a few newbie admins, but by the same token, we do have to be aware that such people exist, and be somewhat sensitive to their needs. Peace, Vale On Sat, Aug 25, 2001 at 09:55:00AM -0300, Gustavo Noronha Silva wrote: > Em Sat, 25 Aug 2001 10:26:06 +0200 > "Claes Andersson" <claes2001@hotmail.com> escreveu: > > > >learning anything takes time. > > > > Time is often limited. For me at my spare time it is less of a problem. At > > work, in support scenarios I have experienced, it is a bigger problem. And > > this discussion would be much easier with a definition about what users > > Debian aims for. Because if I knew that I could shut up or insist, depending > > on the definition. > if you are giving support on something you are supposed to have tried that > before... > > who are Debian users? answer: anyone > > you are, someway, understanding that the reason for putting these progs > on /sbin is to make the system unusable by users... that's foolish. > Debian has some policies... there's something called "FHS" or File > Hierarchy Standard. Debian follows it. > > If you read it you'll notice that commands that should be run by the > administrator only (ifconfig is included and cited there) should go > into /sbin. Usually, the administrator is the one who'll have the need > to run those. The user will run KDE, games, production software, etc.. > *BUT*... if you, as admin, want your users to run them: use one of the > solutions that were presented. Or if a user wants to run that program, > he/she can use /sbin/<prg> instead or add /sbin to PATH.... > > so... there's no problem here and you are complaining about something > that 'you didn't know' and that's not Debian problem, that's your > problem... Debian is following policies and standards. > > also, there's a command called 'whereis': > > [kov]@[couve] $ whereis ifconfig > ifconfig: /sbin/ifconfig /usr/share/man/man8/ifconfig.8.gz > > and you could have used it to find this out... > > []s! > > -- > Gustavo Noronha Silva - kov <http://www.metainfo.org/kov> > *----------------------------------------------------------------* > | .''`. | Debian GNU/Linux: <http://www.debian.org> | > | : :' : | Debian BR.......: <http://debian-br.sourceforge.net> | > | `. `'` | Be Happy! Be FREE! | > | `- | "Think globally, act locally!" | > *----------------------------------------------------------------* > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-request@lists.debian.org > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmaster@lists.debian.org > -- Hail Eris, All Hail Discordia. Jon Postel, you are missed.
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