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Re: Bug#707851: Soften the the wording recommending menu files: let's do it in Jessie.

On Wednesday 08 January 2014 11:31:07 Charles Plessy wrote:
> Hi Lisandro,
> thanks for your answer.  Input from all the parties is critical.
> in my point of view, the Policy has been used to bully the maintainers of
> FreeDesktop-compliant applications and desktop environments, and the patch
> that I propose, which calls the Debian Menu "superseded" in these
> situations, should stop that problem.
> On the other hand, it is the spirit of Debian to accept low-maintenance
> patches (in that case, menu entries) when it can help other projects even
> if one does not care for it.  In that sense, if the Debian Menu has an
> active user base, it would be counter-productive to kill it with a top-down
> decision.  Note that if generalised, top-down termination of people's
> projects can make Debian very, very small.
> Regardless of what you think of the Debian Menu, what do you think about my
> patch ?

I was hopping to get more time to review all the bug, but saddly this is not 
happening, so let me point you want I don't think it's OK (which is debatable, 
but at least what I think). I think most of the stuff has been pointed out by 
someone else already.

  Packages shipping applications that belong to
  one or both menu systems should provide the necessary entry files to
  integrate with them.

* I don't really think an application belongs to one or the other system.
* If I where new to this I wouldn't understand which one should I pick.

WRT the current FDO wording, I like it.

  All packages that provide applications that need not be passed any
  special command line arguments for normal operation should register a
  menu entry for those applications

So even if you already provide a desktop file you must provide a menu one? If 
we are trying to say that the FDO is superseding the Debian menu then this 
needs to be rephrased.

Kinds regards, Lisandro.

Without us [Free Software developers], people would study computer science
and programming without ever having seen a real program in its entirety.
That's like becoming writers without ever having read a complete book.
  Matthias Ettrich, founder of the KDE project.

Lisandro Damián Nicanor Pérez Meyer

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