On Thu, Sep 08, 2022 at 09:51:41PM +0200, Helmut Grohne wrote: > Hi technical comittee members, > On Thu, Aug 18, 2022 at 03:44:54PM +0200, Helmut Grohne wrote: > > Within three weeks I want Steve to reply to this bug in a way that > > addresses Sam's needs or Sam to agree with moving forward without > > Steve's review. Failing that, I will ask the CTTE to override the pam > > maintainers on this patch. > I hope that it does not surprise you. I am formally asking the CTTE to > override the pam maintainers and requiring pam to support DPKG_ROOT. My feedback to you on IRC was that I think it's inappropriate for you to go package-by-package in the BTS to the packages in the base set expecting support for a feature that has to my knowledge never been surfaced for project-wide discussion on debian-devel or similar. So if you want to take that discussion to the Technical Committee to ratify as something that base packages must support, well, I don't think that's the best use of the TC vs just starting a thread on debian-devel, but it does satisfy my expectation that there be a project-level review of the design prior to obligating base package maintainers to support this feature. > (e.g. quality assurance, limitation of scope, public discussion at DC22, > etc.) I did not attend DC22 and this is literally the first time I've heard that there was going to be a session about this. I'm glad that this is getting wider socialization within the project, but without knowing who was present for the discussion, how widely the session was disseminated ahead of time, and what kind of feedback was given, I don't think this rises to the level of a project-reviewed agreement. Looking at the list of videos from DebConf 22 <https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLYUtdmpYPTTL6_iJ3kpFtROmnacNg1R2S> I find the session entitled "What is DPKG_ROOT?" <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_N_al1VK-WM&list=PLYUtdmpYPTTL6_iJ3kpFtROmnacNg1R2S&index=72> which is good, but also appears to be a rather small self-selecting audience. > * pam should support DPKG_ROOT and accept reasonable changes to that > end. > * In particular, the patch in bug #993161 is considered a reasonable > change with bearable maintenance cost and thus should be included > in pam. > Since I am requesting a maintainer override, a super majority is > required. For the record I do not consider this an override requiring a supermajority and would abide by a majority TC decision. -- Steve Langasek Give me a lever long enough and a Free OS Debian Developer to set it on, and I can move the world. Ubuntu Developer https://www.debian.org/ slangasek@ubuntu.com vorlon@debian.org
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