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Re: Bug#846002: blends-tasks must not be priority:important (was Re: Bug#846002: Lowering severity)



Hi Holger,

On Mon, Dec 05, 2016 at 08:07:19PM +0000, Holger Levsen wrote:
> control: reassign -1 tech-ctte
> control: retitle -1 blends-tasks must not be priority:important
> thanks
> 
> On Mon, Dec 05, 2016 at 09:43:18AM -0600, Don Armstrong wrote:
> > if either of you disagree (or anyone else on the CTTE
> > disagrees) and still want the CTTE to resolve this (slowly), feel free
> > to reassign it back.
> 
> Noted, thanks.
> 
> And yes, I still think it's really really wrong to have blends-tasks have
> "priority: important" which makes it getting installed by each and every
> debootstrap run by default.
> 
> https://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-archive.html#s-priorities
> 
> (And I'm really in no good position/mood/whatever to argue this any
> further.

I think it becomes pretty obvious that you are not in the mood to argue
about the topic you brought up based on outdated data.  You also did not
responded to Ole's argument[1] that also tasksel-data has the same
"conflict" with policy you are blaming blends-tasks.

> To me this issue is very very clear and I'm sometimes not good
> argueing issues which I think are very very clear.)

The fact that it is very clear (I do not see in how far repeating 'very'
makes things even clearer) to you is not really convincing.  My summary
of the issue is:

  * Holger does not like the look of presenting tasks as they
    where half a year ago.
  * The look was changed in the mean time since other also were
    not happy and Ole has shrinked the length to an extend that
    was considered sensible by those members of the Blends team
    who cared.
  * The Blends team is considering it important to present the
    Blends as options to the users to pick from at install time
    (as they pick from the set of tasks in tasksel-data).  The
    comparison is pretty valid since it makes sense to pick from
    more than one Blend and the solution suggested by Holger to
    provide separate installation media will not solve this.
  * Valid reasons why blends-tasks are not included into
    tasksel-data were given by Ole[1].
  * The conflict with policy seems artificial to me and I have the
    bad feeling Holger intends to hire people advocating his point
    instead of answering the arguments given in the bug report.  I
    admit that's the first bug I'm involved that is brought up in
    the CTTE and thus I might have a wrong impression but my gut
    feeling says that its wrong to bother this instance with the
    issue in the current state.

Kind regards

        Andreas.

[1] https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=846002#74

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