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Bug#741573: marked as done (On menu systems.)

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Package: tech-ctte
Severity: normal

Dear technical comittee,

I am asking for your arbitration on an unresolvable conflict on the subject of
Desktop menu systems, between a broad number of developers including on one
hand maintainers of the Debian packages for the GNOME and KDE desktop systems
and the mime-support package (myself), and on the other hand Bill Alombert on
his quality of Policy Editor (DPL delegate).

Over almost one year of work and discussion, including a call for comments on
the debian-devel mailing list, we have shaped a modification to the Debian
Policy that 1) incorporates the description of the FreeDesktop menu system and
its use in Debian for listing program in desktop menus and associating them
with media types, and 2) softens the wording on the Debian Menu system to
reflect that in Jessie it will be neither displayed nor installed by default on
standard Debian installations.

The proposal reached consensus through the Policy Changes process, was seconded
by me, Lisandro Damián Nicanor Pérez Meyer, Cyril Brulebois and Russ Allbery,
who is also Policy Editor and assessed that the consensus was obtained.
Apparently without coordination with the other Policy Editors, Bill then
canceled the change and has been avoiding any concrete discussion the change.

You can find the proposal at the following URL.


The whole discussion is at https://bugs.debian.org/707851.

I will not describe Bill's behaviour in further details unless you ask me to do
so, but the end result is that me and others are stongly dissatisfied by his
obstructive attitude and unilateral veto, to the point that we do not think
that discussion is possible and we need a decision from a third party.  I am
asking you to overrule Bill and let me or the Policy Editors upload an updated
version of the Policy containing our changes.

I will inform Bill and the debian-policy mailing list in the thread for #707851
once I have a bug number for this appeal.

Please let me know if there is further information you need.

Cheers, and many thanks for your work.

Charles Plessy
Maintainer of the 'mime-support' package
Tsurumi, Kanagawa, Japan

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The technical committee was asked in #741573 to decide an issue of
Debian technical policy regarding menu regarding the menu system.

==== RESOLUTION ====


   1. The Debian Policy Manual states (§9.6) that 'The Debian menu
      package provides a standard interface between packages providing
      applications and "menu programs"'. It further states that 'All
      packages that provide applications that need not be passed any
      special command line arguments for normal operations should
      register a menu entry for those applications'.

   2. All details about menu system requirement are delegated to the
      Debian Menu sub-policy and Debian Menu System manuals (the
      "Debian menu system").

   3. An external specification, the Freedesktop Desktop Entry
      Specification (the ".desktop spec"), with native support in many
      X desktop environments, has appeared since the Debian Menu
      system was developed. The .desktop spec offers a fairly strict
      super-set of Debian Menu system functionality.

   4. The .desktop specification has significant technical benefits
      for users over the Debian menu system. The .desktop
      specification works together with the freedesktop.org mime type
      and icon specifications to provide operations expected by
      desktop users from other environments, such as Mac OS X or
      Windows. As such, applications must provide a .desktop file to
      operate well in most desktop environments.

   5. The Debian Technical Committee has been asked to resolve a
      dispute between maintainers of Debian Policy over a change that

      i. incorporates the description of the FreeDesktop menu system
         and its use in Debian for listing program in desktop menus
         and associating them with media types

     ii. softens the wording on the Debian Menu system to reflect that
         in Jessie it will be neither displayed nor installed by
         default on standard Debian installations.


   The Technical Committee has reviewed the underlying technical
   issues around this question and has resolved that Debian will be
   best served by migrating away from our own Debian Menu System and
   towards the common Freedesktop Desktop Entry Specification, and
   that menu information for applications should not be duplicated in
   two different formats.

   To encourage this change, we make menu files optional, ask that
   packages include .desktop files as appropriate and prohibit
   packages from providing both menu and .desktop files for the same

Using its power under §6.1.1 to decide on any matter of technical
policy, and its power under §6.1.5 to offer advice:

   1. The Technical Committee adopts the changes proposed by Charles
      Plessy in ba679bff[1].

   2. In addition to those changes, the Technical Committee resolves
      that packages providing a .desktop file shall not also provide a
      menu file for the same application.

   3. We further resolve that "menu programs" should not depend on the
      Debian Menu System and should instead rely on .desktop file
      contents for constructing a list of applications to present to
      the user.

   4. We advise the maintainers of the 'menu' package to update that
      package to reflect this increased focus on .desktop files by
      modifying the 'menu' package to use .desktop files for the
      source of menu information in addition to menu files.

   5. Discussion of the precise relationship between menu file
      section/hints values and .desktop file Categories values may be
      defined within the Debian Menu sub-policy and Debian Menu

   6. Further modifications to the menu policy are allowed using the
      normal policy modification process.

[1]: https://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/dbnpolicy/policy.git/commit/?id=ba679bff76f5b9152f43d5bc901b9b3aad257479


The technical committee would like to thank everyone who participated
in the discussion of #741573 and the patience of the Policy Editors as
the technical committee worked through this issue very slowly.

Please see http://bugs.debian.org/741573 for discussion of
this bug.

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