Bug#741573: #741573: Menu Policy and Consensus
Bill Allombert <ballombe@debian.org> writes:
> On Sun, Jul 19, 2015 at 09:39:50PM +0900, Charles Plessy wrote:
>> I think that what you wrote does not reflect what happened:
>>
>> - Russ gave me the green light for committing the changes, see
>> <https://lists.debian.org/debian-policy/2014/02/msg00068.html>.
>> Only Policy Editors can decide that a change will be committed, thus
>> it is my understanding that Russ, as a Policy Editor, judged that
>> there was consensus.
> This is not my understanding. It seemed clear that Russ did not have
> time to do such review but trusted you as former policy editor. However
> I really did not expect you to use commit right you should not have had
> anymore to force the isssue.
It would be nice if I could clear this up unambiguously, but this is like
so many other things in life: it was both of those and more.
I did feel that the time that there was consensus, and wouldn't have told
Charles to go ahead if I hadn't. However, I also personally believed his
approach was correct, and I didn't do a particularly exhaustive job of
separating that impression from my attempt to determine consensus. I
wasn't sure how strongly you objected, and I have a bias for keeping
things moving forward.
When you felt strongly enough about this to revert it, I personally was
happy to have someone else make a final decision, partly because I didn't
have much time to pursue it further.
So I don't think it's really correct to say that I just trusted Charles.
I did my own evaluation of consensus. However, at the same time, I
wouldn't argue that it was the best evaluation of consensus I ever did,
and certainly the fact that Charles was the one proposing the change
carried additional weight for me due to his past work on Policy.
It's probably also worth noting that I have a somewhat different approach
on how fast to commit changes. I'm a huge believer in lazy consensus and
in the power of reverts, so I tend towards committing things and reverting
them if needed, rather than waiting on the first commit.
--
Russ Allbery (rra@debian.org) <http://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/>
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