Bug#741573: Two menu systems
2014-04-09 15:13 GMT+02:00 Didier 'OdyX' Raboud <odyx@debian.org>:
> Le mercredi, 9 avril 2014, 12.21:28 Ian Jackson a écrit :
>> You have missed my key point about differences of goals between the
>> two menu systems. The trad menu explicitly has the goal of providing
>> a menu item for every invokable thing; whereas the desktop menu
>> maintainers want it to provide only entries for a much smaller subset
>> of programs.
>>
>> This means that we need two systems.
>
> I don't think I missed the point; I was bringing a orthogonal one. I
> understand you think the 'trad' menu is a useful metadata collection on top of
> $PATH for 'every invokable thing'; I happen to disagree.
Regarding metadata, this is something other sources (e.g. DEP-11) can
provide in a much better and less redundant way. What would be
interesting to know is: Why would I want to launch non-GUI
applications from a menu? Usually people working with these launch
them from a Terminal.
Can you provide a usecase for that, other than "it has always been this way"?
>> > Enforcing the use of the antique XPM format
>>
>> I don't think there is anything wrong with the xpm format for small
>> fixed-size icons. "Antique" is here a pejorative word for "well
>> supported by a range of mature and reliable software".
>
> For the record, I intended "antique" to litterally mean "antique": "Old, (...)
> out of date." [0]. You are putting words in my mouth by assuming I meant it in
> a pejorative way.
>
> That said, while "old" is factual, "out of date" is arguably subjective. I
> think I can agree with there being nothing wrong with the xpm format for small
> fixed-size icons, but I don't think "small fixed-size icons" is the experience
> we should aim to offer in the future: screens and resolutions are still
> getting bigger and a 32^2 icons will look smaller and smaller (or uglier and
> uglier) over time. We do have more modern formats to use right now; we're not
> discussing adopting a brand new image format, but PNG or SVG!
Also think about HIDPI-screens in particular, where these small icons
don't make sense at all (in fact, they are so small that you often
can't even tell what they display).
Cheers,
Matthias
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