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Re: [CTTE #746578] libpam-systemd to switch alternate dependency ordering

On Sun, Nov 16, 2014 at 04:52:37PM +0100, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote:
> On Sat, Nov 15, 2014 at 04:16:28PM -0800, Don Armstrong wrote:
> > 5. We therefore overrule the decision of the maintainer of
> >    libpam-systemd binary package.  The Depends entry
> >       systemd-sysv | systemd-shim (>= 8-2)
> >    should be replaced by
> >       systemd-shim (>= 8-2) | systemd-sysv

> A decision which lead to another great Debian Developer leave the
> ship!

> Great Work!

This demonization of the Technical Committee for doing their job under the
constitution needs to stop.  If you don't like the way the TC is structured
under the constitution, feel free to propose a GR to change that.  But if
all you (and certain others across various Debian lists) are going to do is
attack the members of the TC for making a decision they've been asked to in
the way that they believe is technically correct, then I invite you to be
the next Debian Developer to leave and I promise you I will not mourn your

It's a shame that Tollef has decided to step down from the systemd
maintenance team
which I believe is what you're referring to with your mail).  I have great
respect for his technical abilities and consider him to have been a key
voice of sanity throughout this painful process, and I hope that he doesn't
actually view this TC override as an attack on the systemd maintainers.  I
would point out that the majority of those who voted in favor of this latest
resolution also voted for systemd as the default in jessie.  This is not an
act of systemd haters, this is the TC providing technical guidance when
asked to do so; and if the TC comes to a different conclusion than a
maintainer who is acting in good faith, that is not an attack on that

Whereas you, on the other hand, are way out of line with your comment.

Steve Langasek                   Give me a lever long enough and a Free OS
Debian Developer                   to set it on, and I can move the world.
Ubuntu Developer                                    http://www.debian.org/
slangasek@ubuntu.com                                     vorlon@debian.org

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