Bug#746578: libpam-systemd to flip dependencies - proposal

[Cameron Norman <camerontnorman@gmail.com>]

On Tue, Nov 4, 2014 at 1:28 PM, Sam Hartman <hartmans@debian.org> wrote:
>>>>>> "josh" == josh  <josh@joshtriplett.org> writes:
>
>     josh> I wouldn't necessarily suggest using this as an argument
>     josh> against the proposed resolution.  Instead, I'd recommend
>     josh> making sure that cgmanager is just as harmless under systemd
>     josh> as systemd-shim 8-4 currently is, by making it not run under
>     josh> systemd.  That would make this change much safer.
>
> I think making cgmanager not run by default under systemd seems
> reasonable.  However, as we've seen discussed on -vote cgmanager
> provides different services than systemd and if you need full semantics
> can do things systemd cannot do.
>
> For that reason, I can see people wanting to use it along-side systemd.
> I'd discourage the TC from making a ruling about cgmanager and encourage
> the cgmanager maintainer to find a way to make it not run by default but
> be enabled at administrator request.

I thought Michael Biebl helped Serge Hallyn to provide a systemd
service for cgmanager (disabled by default), thus doing exactly what
you describe above. The package's files include
/lib/systemd/system/cg{manager,proxy}.service; is there anything wrong
with how those service definitions are being installed that allows
cgmanager to run on systemd without the user explicitly enabling it?

Best wishes,
--
Cameron Norman