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Bug#746578: libpam-systemd to flip dependencies - proposal

On Sat, 1 Nov 2014 22:59:09 -0700 Josh Triplett <josh@joshtriplett.org> wrote:
> On Sat, 01 Nov 2014 12:26:14 -0700 Russ Allbery <rra@debian.org> wrote:
> > So, this is also the last call for anyone to explain what harmful effect
> > this could have if they think it would have a harmful effect.  My
> > understanding is that all of the possible harmful effects have been fixed
> > by various other changes.
> systemd-shim 8-4 and newer no longer seem likely to produce harmful
> effects, given that systemd-shim now depends on systemd rather than
> shipping its own D-Bus policy, and that systemd-shim itself pointedly
> does not launch on systemd systems.  Neither of those two properties
> seems likely to change or break.
> systemd-shim does depend on cgmanager, which seems more prone to
> breakage, and in fact has a handful of open bugs on it.  cgmanager has
> in the past broken on non-systemd systems.  I personally would like to
> see a resolution of 755977 to deal with that.

Important typo here: I meant "cgmanager has in the past broken
systemd systems".  I had bugs like 761389 in mind there.  Hence 755977.

> Apart from that, I would still request that someone with the ability to
> produce a modified local mirror test the two critical cases mentioned in
> https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=746578#129 .  If those
> two cases work, then systemd systems should not end up with systemd-shim
> installed under normal circumstances, making breakage far less likely.
> - Josh Triplett

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