On Sat, Jan 04, 2014 at 11:08:36AM -0800, Russ Allbery wrote: > Steve Langasek <vorlon@debian.org> writes: > > On Fri, Jan 03, 2014 at 04:40:54PM -0800, Russ Allbery wrote: > >> I'd prefer to leave it in. Upstream's opinions aside, systemd is free > >> software and if someone wants to try to port it (or, possibly more > >> likely, "port" it by writing something native that provides the same > >> interfaces), they can. Maybe upstream is right and it's untenable; > >> maybe they're wrong and it's not as hard as they think. I realize it's > >> horribly unlikely for jessie, but still, as a matter of principle, I'd > >> rather encourage the same software or at least the same interfaces > >> across all of our ports. > > If it's "horribly unlikely for jessie", then it doesn't seem to me like > > something that the TC should be telling porters they "should" do. > I thought that was already resolved? I objected to the "should" in the > original language regarldess of which init system we choose, and Ian said > that he'd reworded it already to something akin to mine, which just says > that ports will use the same default init system if it has been ported, > otherwise yadda yadda. Ah - sorry, I apparently missed that. On Sat, Jan 04, 2014 at 07:28:56PM +0000, Ian Jackson wrote: > I nicked your wording. Mutatis mutandi, it would say: > 2. The default init(1) in jessie for non-Linux ports will be systemd > if it has been ported and confirmed by the porters to be working by > the time of the jessie release. Failing this, the default init(1) > in jessie for non-Linux ports is left to the discretion of the > maintainers of that port. > [ However, the Technical Committee requests that, should systemd be > unavailable on both Hurd and kFreeBSD, the Hurd and kFreeBSD > porters agree on a single alternative init(1) implementation that > will be shared by both ports. ] > [ Non-use of systemd should not be a criterion for architecture > qualification status in jessie. ] > I think this is a daft thing to say. I don't have a problem with this version of the wording, with the "should" removed. While I think a systemd port is highly unlikely, I don't think it hurts anything for the TC to express a preference for all ports to be on the same page. The probability of this *happening* for a particular option will influence my vote, but I think it's a sound technical recommendation regardless. -- Steve Langasek Give me a lever long enough and a Free OS Debian Developer to set it on, and I can move the world. Ubuntu Developer http://www.debian.org/ slangasek@ubuntu.com vorlon@debian.org
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