Bug#727708: init system other points, and conclusion
On Thu, 2014-01-02 at 14:27 -0800, Steve Langasek wrote:
> On Thu, Jan 02, 2014 at 09:50:58AM -0700, Bdale Garbee wrote:
> > Josselin Mouette <joss@debian.org> writes:
>
> > > It shouldn’t come as a surprise that it is hard for developers to
> > > respect the TC’s decisions when we see disrespectful sentences like the
> > > one above from some of its members.
>
> > I agree.
>
> > We are of course each entitled to hold opinions about such things, but I
> > would strongly prefer if we could all try *very* hard to keep such
> > assertions out of TC discussion. They have no place here.
>
> I recognize that we as TC members have a moral duty to not gratuitously
> demotivate Debian contributors. However, the duty to not alienate
> contributors is secondary to our duty of defending the technical integrity
> of Debian, and so I stand behind that comment and am going to elaborate with
> reference to an example so that the other members of the TC, and the GNOME
> team, understand exactly where I'm coming from. (The example is from a
> question that was referred to the TC in July 2012 - bug #681687 - so it may
> ring a bell for some here.)
I fail to see how further digging into this topic is relevant to the
discussion at hand.
I would however like to state that as a member of the gnome, I've
personally repeatedly been very demotivated by these lines of
discussions both as part of the TC process and outside. And, again,
personally, I simply tend to stay out of public discussion in Debian
around gnome/systemd/pulseaudio etc as they tend to filled or at least
overshadowed with assumptions of bad faith and mistrust that it takes a
disproportionate amount of energy to get to any constructive conclusion
if such a conclusion is at all possible. Instead i prefer to spent the
little time i have for Debian on constructive things that actually
benefit our users.
However, again, none of this is relevant for the init system discussion.
So if there is a need to continue on this topic in a constructive
manner, please feel free to but lets move it out of the TC discussion.
--
Sjoerd Simons <sjoerd@debian.org>
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