On Fri, Dec 20, 2013 at 10:15:37AM -0800, Russ Allbery wrote:
> > Are you actually looking for syslog per se here, or are you primarily
> > interested in logging of stderr generally?
> I am specifically looking for syslog. I consider logging to disk files to
> be significantly inferior: I can't use rsyslog to send them to Splunk or
> any other central log server, I have to figure out some special
> incantation to safely rotate them instead of just throwing them into the
> syslog rotation rules, and the date stamp format isn't picked up from the
> general rsyslog configuration.
> Our existing Tomcat init scripts already capture Tomcat output in local
> disk files, so upstart currently doesn't add much value there. Getting
> them into syslog would be quite helpful.
> This is a relatively minor thing since one can set up some simple
> pipelines to do this (and you can tell that it's minor in that we've not
> done that work yet), but for something as critical as logging it's nice to
> not have to worry about the other end of the pipeline dying and not
> getting restarted or having log messages lost when it does.
Right, those are all pretty much the reasons I would expect for preferring
rsyslog. As I said, I just think there's a trade-off between supporting
this and having confusing complexity exposed to the users.
On Fri, Dec 20, 2013 at 06:52:51PM +0000, Ian Jackson wrote:
> Steve Langasek writes ("Bug#727708: Quick upstart and systemd feature comparison"):
> > It would be a straightforward incremental change on top of the existing
> > logging support in Upstart. I'm not sure it's such a great idea to have
> > some logs going to /var/log/upstart and some going via syslog, however; the
> > resulting user/admin confusion may outweigh any benefit from supporting
> > syslog.
> Perhaps it would be possible to have a global setting that changes the
> effect of "log console" to use syslog.
Yes, I think if we were to implement this, this would be the way I'd prefer
to see it done.
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