Bug#688772: gnome Depends network-manager-gnome
In my last mail I referred several times to #688772 when I meant
#640874. Sorry for the confusion. Here is a fixed copy:
Ian Jackson writes ("Re: Bug#688772: gnome Depends network-manager-gnome"):
> Raphael Hertzog writes ("Bug#688772: gnome Depends network-manager-gnome"):
> > On Wed, 26 Sep 2012, Ian Jackson wrote:
> > > Having taken hold of the matter and overruled the maintainer, we have
> > > a responsibility to see through the consequences, and to avoid
> > > backsliding by the maintainer.
> >
> > http://bugs.debian.org/640874
> >
> > $ apt-get source leave
> > [...]
> > $ head -n 1 leave-1.12/debian/rules
> > #!/bin/sh -e
>
> The Constitution is quite clear that the maintainer is not required to
> do the work. So until there is a patch available to leave available
> implement the TC-mandated policy requirement this bug will remain
> unfixed.
>
> Note also that in this case we didn't specifically override the leave
> maintainer's decision not to comply with policy.
>
> Even if we had, in general I would expect a fair proportion of
> overrulings to require NMUs. It would be too much to expect
> maintainers to always have the fortitude to implement a decision they
> didn't agree with. Naturally the complainants should give a
> maintainer the time and space to make the upload themselves, but after
> a reasonable interval I think an upload to a DELAYED queue is entirely
> appropriate.
>
> I don't think it is necessarily the TC members' job to make that NMU,
> but I guess it could help in some situations from a social point of
> view to have the upload come from one of the TC. And I think it would
> be too much to ask TC members to (for example) implement the required
> rewrite of the leave rules file.
>
> However, the management of the bug report(s) is not ideal. As the bug
> was reassigned to TC and then closed when the TC made its decision,
> there is not currently a bug open against leave. Please feel free to
> clone #640874 into a new bug and reopen it and assign it to leave.
>
> > It seems pretty clear that the TC is currently not making sure that his
> > decisions get acted upon (and this despite Jakub who pointed out the
> > mistake in https://lists.debian.org/debian-ctte/2012/08/msg00001.html).
>
> I'm sorry that we didn't spot that this needed further action. I read
> Jakub's message in support, and didn't follow through to the link,
> which I read not as a separate point needing action but rather simply
> as evidence he was advancing in support of my proposal. Since no-one
> seemed to disagree with the proposal (apart from mailing list problems
> now fixed) I didn't go and read the background.
>
> But there is no reason why anyone else can't help us out with this bug
> gardening. If you don't have time or inclination to do the bug
> gardening for "leave" please let me know and I will do it.
>
> Ian.
>
> PS: I would like to point out that as I myself don't actually agree
> with the TC policy decision in #640874, again I am I think excused
> from a requirement to do the work to help implement it. I don't think
> me insisting on this point is valuable, at least when we're just
> talking about bug gardening. My inclination to rewrite the leave
> rules file is limited, though. Do you think that's reasonable ?
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