[Date Prev][Date Next] [Thread Prev][Thread Next] [Date Index] [Thread Index]

Bug#688772: gnome Depends network-manager-gnome



On 25 October 2012 12:17, Don Armstrong <don@debian.org> wrote:
> That said, if I'm wrong, and you believe that there is a compromise
> which would resolve the concerns raised beyond those already presented
> (status quo with/without release notes), now would be the time to
> present it.

My proposal is to:
1. Add a paragraph to the Release Notes with the one line command
people should use if they don't want NetworkManager running:
"update-rc.d disable network-manager"
2. And cases where that doesn't work are RC.

The advantages of this proposal:
1. Users that don't want NetworkManager messing with their networking
configuration can get it and wouldn't have to worry about babysitting
upgrades or new installs to make sure that NetworkManager isn't pulled
in by some package.
2. Users who've upgraded from Lenny can be sure to have NetworkManager
installed and working, which really is far better for most GNOME users
than anything else. Those that have opted out previously are given an
opportunity to revisit their decision since the circumstances have
changed significantly.
3. Wouldn't require a CTTE resolution
4. Would continue to allow the Debian GNOME Team to manage their
metapackages based on what GNOME says is required and what the team
feel fits best into a standard GNOME desktop.
5. Would not put an implicit duty on the GNOME Team to come before the
CTTE every time they intend to change something in their metapackage
that might make someone annoyed.

The Technical Committee complaining about NetworkManager seems to the
GNOME Team to be a bit misplaced.
- Why don't they complain about how GNOME3 is significantly different
than what was shipped in previous Debian releases?
- Why don't they complain about epiphany or iceweasel being a depends
which affects far more people in a far more visible way? I mean, have
you looked at what the "gnome" package depends on? evolution,
gnome-games, gimp, inkscape, rhythmbox, transmission, etc? And "gnome"
depends on less stuff now than it did for squeeze.
- Why not a larger discussion about the role of depends in
metapackages? That discussion is obviously too late for Wheezy but it
probably should happen well before Jessie is relased.
- Shouldn't working and easy to use wireless (aka NetworkManager) be
considered part of the basic desktop infrastructure? And users who
don't like those decisions being made for them shouldn't use "gnome"?

Jeremy


Reply to: