Since I get this to CTTE attention, I would like to stress some things. First, I would like to strongly remember that we are all one team, Debian, and we should care for our users. All of them: thouse newbies who use Gnome and do not know nor want to know how to manually install or remove packages to the same degree that those sysadmins that want to cherrypick their packages one by one and have complicated network settings. We must work for all of them: it is a duty, and it is the duty we choose to do when we decided to become Debian members/supporters/developers/whatever you feel. Secondly, I want to make clear why, in my *personal* experience, NM should be uninstallable/able to keep deinstalled from Gnome. It happens that if it is installed and the network is not configured by it but by hand (/e/n/i and ifupdown), the Gnome network-related packages like Pidgin does not work. In my experience, Pidgin just sits waiting for a network connection that will never arrive, while the computer has a perfectly working network setup. This is why I opted to deinstall (and knowingly overrule the Recommends) 'network-manager' and 'network-manager-gnome' while keeping installed the 'gnome' package. Third, I really pray that someday NM stops being that way and be able to recognize existant network connections. I have not anything against NM itself, it is just that it does not work for me. I would even help with it if my programming abilities were higher that they are. Regards Noel Torres er Envite ------------------------- A: Because it breaks the logical flow of discussion. Q: Why is top posting bad?
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