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Re: Bug#682010: [mumble] Communication failures due to CELT codec library removal

On Tuesday, August 14, 2012 13:48:57, Ian Jackson wrote:
> Chris Knadle writes ("Re: Bug#682010: [mumble] Communication failures due to 
CELT codec library removal"):
> > The test was done with a patched "348"-1.1 mumble-server and a patched
> > "348"-1.1 mumble client with bundled celt 0.7.1 only.  (i.e. the patches
> > I had already sent.)  The other OSes were running in a VM on the same
> > box, with the mic input going to the VM, and the mic muted in Mumble on
> > the host.  The "Interop" checkbox indicates I heard audio out from the
> > host when talking through the VM.  i.e. I tried to "do a real test".
> Right, so the "interop" column tells us whether the proposed mumble
> with included 0.7.1 celt will work with these other clients.  And it
> largely does.

Right, and the two exceptions should soon be fixed.

> Excellent.
> Thanks for doing the legwork.  It sounded like something of a trial in
> parts.  I hope you had fun!

Some of it was.  It's been a /looong/ time since I've had a look at other 
distros other than Debian, and I've never had a look at this many of them.  
I'll give you some highlights:

  - Many distros that were Debian-based allowed for updating the package
    list and installing packages while still running the LiveCD.  Trying to
    do this on some Ubuntu-based distros seemed to cause them to crash,
    which made a full install still necessary in those cases.

  - Distros that require 3D for the GUI are a pain. (Ubuntu, Ultimate)

  - I really don't like the Unity GUI in Ubuntu.

  - A few distros use an installer/updater program that is horrible to use.
    (IIRC Fuduntu, SolusOS).  A couple also did ugly things like use only
    "rpm" lines in /etc/apt/sources.list (PCLinuxOS).

  - Arch Linux was very interesting: the install is done manually.
    The first set of instructions I found were missing how to finish the
    install of Grub2 leading to install failures, but the "Beginners Guide"
    has them complete.  Package installs on Arch are super-fast.

  - Pear Linux is humorous: everything looks like Mac OS X. The Pear has a
    bite out of it just like the Apple logo, the bottom taskbar that expands,
    the upper doc has the menu for the currently open program.

  - Vector Linux was fun to use and has what looked like an apt-based
    installer even though it's based on Slackware.  [I started on Slackware.]

  - openSUSE and Fedora 17 were also quite nice and I found them easy to use,
    at least on the surface.

  - Gentoo is just as insane (if not more so) as it was when I last used
    it for a time in 2003.  The instructions has one re-compile the world
    when updating the USE flags; the instructions for installing KDE has you
    update the USE flags.  emerge also gets into dependency hell, leading to
    adding several swtiches: 'emerge --newuse --update --deep @world'

> > I have to rush out but if you have other questions I'll be back in about
> > 3 hours.
> I'm going away for a week starting tomorrow.

Wherever you're going, I hope you have an enjoyable time.

  -- Chris

Chris Knadle

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