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Bug#681834: network-manager, gnome, Recommends vs Depends



Ian Jackson <ijackson@chiark.greenend.org.uk> writes:

> How about this:

This doesn't feel quite right to me, but I'm not sure how to phrase my
feeling in terms of specific objections.  Let me try to instead draft the
sort of statement that I feel like I want to make and see what people
think of it.

    The gnome-core metapackage is intended to reflect the core of the
    GNOME desktop environment: the basic tools and subsystems that
    together constitute GNOME.  The gnome metapackage is intended to
    reflect the broader desktop environment, including extra components
    and applications.

    network-manager is the GNOME network control system, and is
    recommended for most GNOME users.  Some Debian GNOME users don't like
    some of network-manager's behavior and prefer to instead use other
    tools, either basic ifupdown or other frameworks such as wicd.

    In squeeze, the gnome metapackage lists network-manager in Recommends
    but not Depends.  In wheezy, currently, network-manager has moved from
    gnome to gnome-core, and from Recommends to Depends.  This represents
    a substantially increased insistance that users of the GNOME
    metapackages have network-manager installed.  This change is, so far
    as the Technical Committee understands, driven primarily by user
    confusion and bug reports, but does not reflect a deeper or tighter
    integration of network-manager into GNOME than was the case in
    squeeze.

    If matters are left as they currently stand, users who have the gnome
    metapackages installed but do not have network-manager installed will,
    in the process of upgrading from squeeze to wheezy (either due to an
    explicit decision to remove it or an implicit decision to not install
    it by disabling automatic installation of Recommends), end up
    installing network-manager on systems where it is currently not
    installed.  It will also no longer be possible for users to install
    GNOME metapackages in wheezy without installing network-manager.

    For most applications and components, the only drawback of this would
    be some additional disk space usage, since the application, despite
    being installed, wouldn't need to be used.  However, network-manager
    assumes that, if it is installed, it should attempt to manage the
    system's network configuration.  It attempts to avoid overriding local
    manual configuration, but it isn't able to detect all cases where the
    user is using some other component or system to manage networking.
    The user has to take separate, explicit (and somewhat unusual for the
    average user) action to disable network-manager after it has been
    installed.

    The Technical Committee believes that this will cause undesireable
    behavior for upgrades from squeeze, and (of somewhat lesser
    importance) will make it more difficult than necessary for GNOME users
    to swap network management components, something for which there
    appears to be noticable demand.  We therefore believe that
    network-manager should be either moved to Recommends in gnome-core, or
    moved from the gnome-core metapackage to the gnome metapackage (which
    is defined as including additional, optional components).

    Please note that this is not a general statement about GNOME
    components.  It is very specific to network-manager because all of the
    following apply:

    1. The package takes action automatically because it is installed,
       rather than being a component that can either be run or not at the
       user's choice.

    2. The package has historically been recommended rather than listed as
       a dependency, so existing Debian users are used to that behavior.

    3. There is both demonstrable, intentional widespread replacement of
       that package by Debian GNOME users and no significant loss of
       unrelated GNOME desktop functionality by replacing it with a
       different component.

    If any of these points did not apply, the situation would be
    significantly different.

-- 
Russ Allbery (rra@debian.org)               <http://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/>


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