Bug#345067: [Yaird-devel] Re: Processed: Escalating #345067 to the technical comittee, as the maintainer asked me to do so, and is unable or unwilling to do his job without this.
On Tue, Mar 07, 2006 at 07:20:31PM +0100, Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
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> On Tue, 7 Mar 2006 15:25:38 +0100
> Sven Luther <sven.luther@wanadoo.fr> wrote:
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> > On Tue, Mar 07, 2006 at 11:43:34PM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote:
> > > On Tue, Mar 07, 2006 at 02:03:17AM -0800, Debian Bug Tracking
> > > System wrote:
> > > > Subject: Re: Processed: Escalating #345067 to the technical
> > > > comittee, as the maintainer asked me to do so, and is unable or
> > > > unwilling to do his job without this.
> > >
> > > > > reassign 345067 tech-ctte
> > > > Bug#345067: [powerpc] ide-generic is not built on powerpc, yaird
> > > > Bug#tries to include it and fails 343427:
> > > > Bug#linux-image-2.6.14-2-powerpc: Installation fails
> > > > Bug reassigned from package `yaird' to `tech-ctte'.
> > >
> > > I can see there's some sort of dispute over this bug, but I can't
> > > see a precise explanation of exactly what it breaks.
> >
> > ide-generic is not built on powerpc,
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> ...on official Debian kernels. But other kernels may very well build
> that module.
Ok, i repeat :
you claim that you need to force-load ide-generic on powerpc, because it may
break if you don't do it. i have been maintaining the powerpc kernels for
almost three years now, and never did i see the ide-generic being needed.
Furthermore the powerpc official kernels do work without ide-generic, so it
is proof enough that the ide-generic module is not *NEEDED*.
second, you did not excercise such excessive caution when you first included
the hacky patch that broke this, why then have different criteria for this
case ?
third, even if all you say is true, you are wrong in not fixing this issue
earlier, since back then yaird was the default for 2.6.14 kernels, and made
the official kernels uninstallable on pegasos, thus breaking d-i installs,
just because of some hypothetic use case scenario you are not even capable
of showing us.
> > yaird will inconditionally try to include ide-generic into the
> > ramdisk if via82cxxx is present (while the real hacky workaround was
> > not to load it always, but only to load it after via82cxxx).
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> There seem to be no real concensus on what exactly was the problem, the
> core bug, the optimal workaround or the optimal solution.
So, you applied a buggy patch, which broke on pegasos and other via using
powerpc boxes, and refuse to unapply it on powerpc where it is known to break.
This is proof of your dishnoestety, because if that where a real claim of you,
you would never have applied the original patch in the first place, and we
would not have this problem.
> What seems certain is that the core bug is in the kernel somewhere, and
> that it has to do with modular IDE drivers.
So, please back off the original buggy patch, and fix the problem in the
kernel.
> Please see http://wiki.debian.org/LinuxKernelIdeProblem that I created
> today and have invited the kernel team and udev developers to improve
> on.
An assembly of patent lies and inexactitudes which pruport to support your
claim.
Unless you come up with a plausible scenario to support your "may cause a
problem" claim, you lost all rigth to continue making such arguments. but you
have no such scenario, which is why you refused to continue the discussion
with me in erkelenz. How easy.
Sven Luther
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