* Ian Jackson (ian@davenant.greenend.org.uk) wrote:
> Stephen Frost writes ("Re: (forw) [debian-ctte-request@lists.debian.org: Re: Posting on the list [pasc@murphy.debian.org: Re: md5sum <FILE produces spurious ` -' in output]]"):
> > The TC isn't the only committee in Debian. [...]
>
> FSVO `committee', this is true. But the TC is the only one that's
> formally established and can't really be worked round if it breaks.
Alright, how about leader@debian.org or secretary@debian.org? I don't
imagine either of those are closed off to posting from only a select
group, and there's only *1* person beyond each (as far as I'm aware).
I've yet to hear either complain about too much SPAM being a problem for
them.
> It's also at the top of an `appeal pyramid', if you see what I mean.
> That means it tends to have the most experienced (and so busiest)
> people on it.
Technically, it's at the top of an appeal pyramid but so is
leader@debian.org is in a very similar way for everything
non-technical. Again, that's only one person too, who is pretty
experienced and busy from what I've seen. These arguments really just
don't fly.
> I'm afraid I didn't make myself. My spamfilter doesn't _throw away_
> mails that it doesn't like, it rejects them at the SMTP level. It
> uses criteria that are really only available during the _initial_
> connection from an untrusted host. Both of these things mean that it
> doesn't work to run it on mail once it has been `laundered' by
> Debian's machines: firstly, the false positives would just vanish
> rather than bouncing, and secondly, its hitrate is hugely reduced.
Honestly, that sounds like a problem you have with your SPAM filters
being somewhat defficient. Are you on *no* other Debian mailing list?
Have you considered that using a better SPAM filter, like so many others
do, might be a better technical solution?
> > Do other people on the committee feel this way? What about people who
> > have to monitor other lists (Manoj?)? Honestly, this seems kind of
> > silly to me as a reason to differentiate debian-ctte from the rest of
> > the mailing lists Debian hosts when, really, pretty much all of them
> > fall into much the same category.
>
> Perhaps I should offer to host the TC list myself. I could get the
> admins to delegate a mail domain under debian.org, and we could make
> mail to the old addresses bounce.
This is a *terrible* idea. If your SPAM filtering is so great then
convince debian-admin and company of it and get them to implement it.
Certainly the Debian technical committee mailing list should remain
hosted by *Debian*. I'm starting to think the problem here isn't with
the SPAM or the list but rather with your personal opinion on the best
way to filter SPAM and a disagreement about that with the list masters,
regardless of how effective each solution actually is.
Stephen
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