Re: Trying to find the new AMIs is pretty impossible if you don't know where to look.
On Wed, 21 Nov 2012 19:19:15 +1100, Stefano Zacchiroli <leader@debian.org>
wrote:
On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 05:10:58PM +1100, Chris Fordham wrote:
>Other answers were very relevant, but how about adding "official"
>in the name so that we can recommend to search for "official debian" ?
Have we ratified what the official Debian AMIs are yet and how they
are provided?
How do we define that and I would assume that those AMIs would need
to be in an AWS account owned by Debian unless there is an official
sponsor (has Debian ever had commercial investment..).
The images we are talking about *are* the official ones. Full stop.
They are so in the sense that we entered in an agreement with Amazon as
Debian, via James that I've delegated to that end; you can indeed notice
that the "seller" profile on the marketplace is Debian
https://aws.amazon.com/marketplace/seller-profile/ref=srh_res_product_vendor?ie=UTF8&id=890be55d-32d8-4bc8-9042-2b4fd83064d5
Please make this information public e.g. on the wiki so users can
understand the agreement between a FOSS and commercial entity.
The plan is to reference the images from the official Debian website
under www.d.o/distrib (I've spoken just yesterday with representatives
of the -www team and I've a forthcoming mail for this list about that
topic in the working, stay tuned...).
The last thing we want is calling something official and then it
disappearing because an AWS bill wasn't paid by a contributor or
what not.
As far as I can tell that risk is off the table. Debian is offered for
free on the marketplace. If the user do not pay _AWS_, i.e. do not pay
for the resource usage as opposed to the software cost (which is zero),
that is a problem between Amazon and the user. The only responsibility
we take is for the software we distribute as "Debian", but that is no
news, we already bear that responsibility by distributing Debian via all
our channels (the archive, installation media, hw vendors with Debian
pre-installed, etc.).
I'm not talking about the end user, but rather the publisher who pays for
the publication in the relevant cloud charges i.e. ebs, s3 etc.. If that
account is canceled, the images go bye bye too.
I am sorry if I missed some agreement related info here, but who owns the
AWS account the images are published from and who is paying for it and how
do we make sure it remains active?
Regarding Charles mention of adding "official", I don't think we should
do so to ramp up in the ranking. I think we should ask Amazon to list
us more prominently, after all one of the main points of being in the
marketplace is precisely to avoid being confused with the "AMI soup" of
all non official AMIs prepared by others. The fact we are the only
"seller" who can be called "Debian" should give enough officially. From
there, is a matter of making our voice heard within Amazon.
Cool, if you can get Amazon to elevate the publication, thats awesome.
Also, I've reviewed my past conversations with the Amazon folks, and
both myself and James were under the impression that Debian will be
listed as a "Quick Start" image. So I assume the fact we are not listed
there is only temporary.
James: do you want to raise this with our Amazon peers, or should I?
Cheers.
Yeah, just need clarification on what exactly is happening here and into
the near future.
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