On some case (probably rare) the cause of issue can be also caused by firmware (for example seems with this with your same gpu trying to install nvidia driver): https://forums.developer.nvidia.com/t/5070-ti-driver-570-133-07-issue-with-debian-12/329425
About nvidia driver 570, in the Debian repository unfortunately there is a maximum of 555 in experimental for now: https://packages.debian.org/source/experimental/nvidia-graphics-drivers Maybe for stable releases they limit to LTS driver versions, FWIK the latest LTS is the 535, which is good for stability and security but can be a problem for those using recent video cards.
Unfortunately, as far as I can remember, support for proprietary NVIDIA drivers on Debian is "limited", while it is quite good on Ubuntu and derivatives. For example on it there is already the version 570 and also backported in Ubuntu 22.04 and 24.04: https://packages.ubuntu.com/source/noble-updates/nvidia-graphics-drivers-570 Better nvidia driver support is one reason I use Ubuntu on my gaming pc and workstation. I haven't played much in the last decade, I don't want to waste time with problems like many others had with Windows on the PC I was playing on, and in fact with Ubuntu I saved a lot of time and the problems were rare, almost always caused by bugs in the games themselves unlike on Windows. A second would be greater availability of software already packaged via ppa (so there is very little that I have to package manually). Unfortunately, however, Ubuntu is getting worse and worse with the increase in snaps even in system packages and it has worsened with the installer (to do a minimal installation after 20.04 there is no longer an equivalent of the Debian netinstall and the server installer is not good and too limited, so much so that the latest installations for the transition to Ubuntu 24.04 I am using Mint instead). Even if unfortunately Mint have forked too many software they do not have enough resources to maintain them at the best. So it is likely that in the future I will switch to Debian or maybe I will also have to consider a DE other than cinnamon (perhaps KDE) and rarely another distro (at least for the desktop part, the server one Debian continues to be an excellent choice).
Be careful though, I know for sure that using gdm3 with cinnamon causes problems because it activates some gnome settings processes even before login which interfere with the cinnamon ones and therefore the settings you make on cinnamon might not work.
Il 10/08/2025 12:47, phamiet@bluewin.ch ha scritto:
Hello Fabio, I agree with you. Windows is a nightmare to install for drivers and software... I reinstall my entire workstation under Debian in less than an hour, whereas it takes me at least a day for Windows. Not to mention the privacy issues related to Windows Recall... My graphics card is an RTX 5070 Ti, and the built-in open source "nouveau" driver works but isn't 100% optimized for this GPU. Ideally, you should be able to use the open source Nova driver, which is written in Rust, but it's only available with kernel 6.15, according to what I've read. What's intriguing is that with the same hardware, I didn't encounter any problems under Debian 12. And with the standard ISO based on Gnome, there are no problems either. The problems only occur with Cinnamon, which is why I wrote to you. As I described in my previous email, the problem occurs from the very beginning of booting the Debian 13 Live Cinnamon ISO. The ISO boots, but the graphical desktop doesn't appear. We're stuck in text mode, at the command line. I have to force graphical startup with the startx command for Cinnamon to launch. After installation, the problem persists but is more detailed. Lightdm doesn't appear on the screen, I have to log in to the command line, then manually start X11, still with the startx command. If I uninstall lightdm and replace it with gdm3, I can't stabilize this installation. For this to work smoothly, I need to choose an installation ISO that allows me to select and install Gnome and gdm3. After the installation, I can restart tasksel and add Cinnamon. Then everything works via gdm3. The Debian 13 Live Cinnamon ISO is problematic. All other ISOs also pose problems when trying to install Cinnamon. But I emphasize this point: everything works perfectly as soon as Gnome is installed. Therefore, I don't think the "nouveau" driver is 100% responsible; I think there's an incompatibility with lightdm or another Cinnamon module... On my laptop, everything works normally with an Intel CPU/GPU. It seems Debian 13 is somewhat allergic to Nvidia... Despite the fact that Debian is supposed to officially support Nvidia GPUs for two years now, the staff responsible for it hasn't done their job ;-( They've released almost nothing in the last two years. Only three months before the release of Debian 13, they woke up. But the only driver they've made available for Trixie is 550.163.01-2 (RTX 4000). And in SID, we have 555.58.02-1 (RTX 4000 Super), which was released too late to be integrated into Trixie. They haven't released anything for the RTX 5000 series GPUs (driver 570.x and later). This forces me to download the .run driver directly from the Nvidia website and have to maintain it. (updates) manually. https://packages.debian.org/search?suite=default§ion=all&arch=any&lang=fr&searchon=names&keywords=nvidia In short, this situation isn't very satisfactory... and overall, Debian remains complicated to install for beginners ;-( And even though I'm not a beginner, I'd be delighted if things became simpler. For example, we could ask the Ubuntu folks to port their work of integrating graphics drivers into Debian. That would help make our favorite distribution, Debian, more popular... And to answer your question, I don't have another integrated graphics card in my workstation. What's bothering me right now is that I have to report this outage so that a fix can potentially be deployed, but I don't know to whom, because I can't identify with more precision what's happening... Best regards and have a good Sunday. Philippe PS Do you understand French? If so, it's easier for me to write to you in my native language...Le 10.08.2025 08:42 CEST, Fabio Fantoni <fantonifabio@tiscali.it> a écrit :Il 10/08/2025 03:07, phamiet@bluewin.ch ha scritto:Hello Fabio, Unfortunately there is another bug that I missed and which is not resolved. On Debian 13 final there is an Nvidia compatibility issue on my system. Lightdm won't load, I have to log into a text console and then run the startx command to launch Cinnamon ;-( All versions of Debian 13 are impacted. Debian Cinnamon Live is perfect for testing because the problem is already present with it before installation. The only workaround I found was to install Gnome and Cinnamon together, so gdm3 is installed by default and there are no more problems. I don't know if I should open a bug and if it concerns Cinnamon or lightdm. I also don't know if this bug will be fixed before Debian 14... What do you advise me to do ? Best regards. PhilippeHi, this is not a cinnamon issue and I don't know if can be an issue related to other package. In several cases, there are specific PC "issues" that require certain configurations or drivers to work, and not all of them can be resolved "out of the box" in the installer but require additional operations. It's something that happens on windows too (even though it's more used on desktop/laptop), and in the last few years I've seen that clean install of windows requires more often additional drivers than linux ones and not only on desktop/laptop, also on servers. Without details I can't make precise assumptions but based on experience there are cases where there are problems with Nouveau drivers and it requires installing the proprietary driver, even if it has improved in recent years and the latest installations I've done haven't given significant problems. Try to see this: https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers Last week I also installed Mint on a very old laptop where the legacy version of the proprietary Nvidia driver (needed for the graphic card) was not installable because it was not compatible with recent kernel versions, however Nouveau does not cause any problems and for the basic use that the user makes of it it seems to be fine. If there are problems with Nouveau, there are no more working nvidia drivers but there is another integrated video card you can blacklist the Nouveau driver and use the other card.
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