Re: vote

[Michael Goetze <mgoetze5@yahoo.com>]

Guten Abend, Erich,

> First thing is that i (but i'm no insider) just don't believe that
> the difference between UFS and ext2 is so much; if it were, i believe
> that Linux hacker's would already have implemented big UFS support in
> the Linux kernel as well, just to get that better fs.

Yes, and if ext2 were better than UFS, the BSD kernel hackers would
already have implemented big ext2 support, wouldn't they? The point is
that, for the moment, we're trying to get a system running with a BSD
kernel - and the BSD kernel happens to have much better support for UFS
than ext2. So I'd say let's go UFS.

> But most user's will want to run Debian/BSD as well as Debian/Linux.

The interesting question is, will they want to run it on the same
partition? While that would certainly be a very admirable long-term
goal, I'm sure it's not going to happen anytime soon, even if we try to
bend the BSD kernel over to ext2.

> As UFS support is still "experimental" (it's read-only, isn't it?)
> people might prefer to use ext2 as their root fs for Debian/BSD - so
> they can boot their Linux and access the data from there as well.
> Sure, you could install *BSD as well to your existing Debian Linux...
> It's just that people might prefer.

If we're going to be so pessimistic as to plan for people wanting to
access their data with more than read-only support from another OS, we
might as well drop the project, IMHO.

> But i believe that people will _expect_ to run glibc "by default".
> They expect a "Debian" System, which means "as compatible to
> Debian/Linux as possible" - so i will expect all my programs (unless
> they are kernel-specific) to compile in the exactly same way, to
> behave in the same way etc.

Actually, a "Debian" system means just that - a system which conforms
to the Debian Policy. For some people, myself included, one of the
points of this project is to prove that Debian is more than just Linux.
I'm not sure what you mean by compatibility here - do you mean binary
compatibility? If so, it's already been done. And I, for one, don't
just want a BSD system that can do everything Linux can and does
everything like Linux does. I want a BSD system that has the advantages
of a BSD system with the ease-of-maintenance and consistancy of Debian.
If you ask me, the disadvantages of using glibc far outweigh those of
using BSD libc. glibc would be a pretty big porting effort - sure to
get this project stuck at stage 1, if you ask me. The disadvantages of
BSD libc will be very small, as far as I can tell. You want everything
to compile exactly the same as on a GNU/Linux system - well, I have
news for you, it's called GNU autoconf...

> Debian/BSD should NOT become FreeBSD+dpkg.
> i think it's intended to become Debian with a BSD kernel.
> But still 99.9% Debian.

Keeping in mind that Debian != Linux.

MfG,

Michael

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