Re: Is it _really_ dead?
- To: "Mark W. Eichin" <firstname.lastname@example.org>
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- Subject: Re: Is it _really_ dead?
- From: Raul Miller <firstname.lastname@example.org>
- Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 19:55:35 -0500
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- In-reply-to: <firstname.lastname@example.org>; from email@example.com on Mon, Oct 16, 2000 at 04:11:17PM -0400
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On Mon, Oct 16, 2000 at 04:11:17PM -0400, Mark W. Eichin wrote:
> And there we disagree... anything less than proper dependency-aware
> upgrade simply doesn't count. This is a *hard* problem which is why
> so much of the value of dpkg is in the "interesting" cases it
> handles. It would be nice to see that independently appear in
> openpackages, but we've got this perfectly good dpkg over here that I
> at least see as so far ahead in this regard that it is a different
> game altogether... and while I don't have time to go
> teach/tech-transfer the years and years of work that go into that part
> of dpkg, I *do* have time to attempt to apply it directly.
> Does that help make it clearer what is going on here?
I'm going to be a bit of a curmudgeon:
I think the "right" way of getting dpkg support for bsd is to rebuild
I'd like to see a mechanism where "make install", with all its various
independent steps, has semantics equivalent to a dpkg install:
* all installed files are entered into the database under
the same package name.
* there's a version associated with the install
* if the install dies before completion, the installed
files are backed out
I'd like to see support for extra-"package" dependencies and conflicts.
I'd like a mechanism to mark certain files as conffiles. [To do this
right, I'd want the user to be able to declare such things, outside
the package, and the software author to declare such things, inside
I'd like a mechanism to look at binaries (using ldd or some such) to
automatically place some basic dependencies on requisite libraries.
[No versioned depends unless specifically asked for.]
Ideally, this would use the same database format as dpkg which would
allow regular debian users to manage locally compiled software with a
minimum of fuss.
I suspect that to do this "as foolproof as possible", I'd need a libc
replacement (LD_PRELOAD hack, probably -- I worry about overly smart
build processes, but presumably any such problems could be treated as
fixable bugs). Otherwise, a smart "install" executable would probably
do the trick.
In my opinion, debian packages should be a part of a smooth continum
that includes historically popular ways of installing pieces of software.