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Re: The project



On Sun, 18 Jul 1999, Gary Kline wrote:

> > To be honest, I think that's a bad idea. The Linux support is (at least in
> > FreeBSD) rather limited, and even if it worked it wouldn't feel as good
> > as a "real" system.
> 	Here is where I have no real bias.  Since the xwp (WordPerfect-8)
> 	works on both this FBSD-2.2.8 and on my experimental FBSD-3.2
> 	systems, the linux compat isn't much of as issue ((to me!)).

Well, it works pretty well for me too, but I think it feels like a
kludge.. but maybe that's just me.

> 	What I'd really like to see is the superiority of a FBSD 
> 	kernel with the superiority of the tons of the best freeware
> 	from GNU.  (Plus any other kind of open-source software,
> 	of course.)

Yes, that's something I would really like too. I would like to be able to
do an 'apt-get upgrade' under FreeBSD as well as under Linux, and get the
same programs.

>       I'd really like to see the Linux drivers integrated
> 	into the BSD kernel... but this isn't very clear because some
> 	people have a strong bias one way or the other.

I think the main problem with this is the license struggle. BSD people in
general are very much against the GPL, and the reverse. Myself, I prefer
GPL to the BSD license, but both are "good" in that they are free. But
that's a discussion better kept of this list...

> > What I think will take longest is porting glibc (which is something that
> >  should be done anyway), but any experienced glibc hacker could probably
> >  do it in a weekend.
> 	Ask the hackers@freebsd.org list if the port hasn't already
> 	been done.  It may very well have been...

Okay, I will.

> 	Yes, I think so, too.  Whether we need Yet-Another-BSD is
> 	pure flame-bait; my take on the matter is that the world
> 	would benefit endlessly if people could learn to comprimise
> 	enough to cooperate on a full-blown DebianBSD.

I agree on this matter. I would myself prefer the Debian/BSD system to the
Debian/Linux, since I think the Linux kernel pretty much sucks.

> 	Do you have a working dpkg that could serve as a port to 
> 	FBSD?

Yes. Since I'm on a "pay-per-minute" connection at home, I couldn't afford
to get the latest version of everything, so my port is based on 1.4.0.33
(I think. It's the one shipped with slink)

>       Steve Price (who is on the list) said that he has one almost
>       ready to go.  Yours, perhaps??

I would gladly upload my patches, yes. Unfortunately, they're at home and
I'm currently doing my service.. so it'll have to wait until wednesday,
when I get home next time. Steve, is this okay?

I haven't been able to generate a dpkg package yet since it required TeX
wich took a while to compile.. (I had to get X up first) but it shouldn't
be a problem since it compiles and build correctly (except for the
documentation directory).

> 	Anyhow, if you would send me the source (or pointer to it),
> 	I'll see if it builds.  Send a few cookbook instructions and
> 	I'll see if all the GNU suites just-drop-in.   :-)

It's just a matter of doing a ./configure && make. I think you need
your /usr/bin/make to be GNU make, however.

> > Anyway, with a working dpkg that could generate and install packages, I
> > started doing what else I thought I could need. The following packages
> > compiled with no or little patching:

+ autoconf, automake, m4 and some other stuff.

> 	We've got patch and make (gmake); our make is really pmake,
> 	the Berkeley parallel make.

Yeah, but it lacks some features necessary to compile most packages.

> > binutils (the problem was that the make process defaulted to a.out)
> > gcc (same for this, and is probably easy solved)
> 	Isn't this just a flag like -ELF or the like?

No, you do something like ./configure --target=i386-debian-freebsdelf. But
it should definitely be easibly solvable.

> > Any volunteer? :)
> 	For the next several months I've got little to 0.0 time to
> 	get into this.  But check with the hackers list first.   Or
> 	post a note to questions@freebsd.org; somebody there knows
> 	the details.  

I will do this too.

Thank's anyway.


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