Re: Contacting Debian Boot team
Hi,
Am Fri, May 31, 2024 at 04:54:13PM +0200 schrieb Cyril Brulebois:
> > However, my question was rather whether you know some valid reasons
> > why derivatives are exchanging the install method - maybe that
> > question should be better asked on Debian-Boot (if so feel free to
> > ignore this question). I was rather wondering about the motivation
> > for the usage of Ubiquity or Calamares (or others?). I might be naive
> > but from my perspective installing is something that just needs to
> > work and having a lot of ways to make this working is somehow burning
> > developer time. So what according to your insight is motivating
> > derivatives to solve a problem in a different way that is IMHO solved
> > by Debian.
>
> You seem to be asking the wrong person. I don't know about downstream's
> motivation, the various alternatives/competitors, etc., and I wouldn't
> have time to investigate if I wanted to (and I'm not saying that's the
> case).
Fair enough.
> > Sure there is an arm64 image and I started with copying this to some
> > USB stick. But that hardware did not booted from an USB device but
> > only from eprom that had to be flashed via SD card. Its not your
> > fault definitely but was frustrating for me not beeing able to simply
> > run the Debian installer.
>
> I understand the frustration (“welcome to the ARM world…”) but (1) the
> initial statements were a very wrong conclusion from your findings and
> (2) even with hardware that's supposed to be supported by free software
> we might need time to spot, fix, or workaround bugs (hardware, software,
> firmware, doc, etc.) or integrate new features to support new boards.
>
> That's not specific to d-i, that's just how IT works.
ACK.
> > It was not really a claim but a question based on my experience with a
> > single piece of hardware. I was hoping for some ideas how we could
> > motivate hardware vendors to deliver hardware that can be easily
> > booted by simply plugging in some USB device featuring the installer
> > images we provide on our web page.
>
> UEFI/arm64 is a thing. Whether HW vendors actually implement/enable UEFI
> is another matter entirely (see early EEPROM versions on e.g. Pi 4).
Any experiences with Lenovo Thinkpad X13S? Finally Lenovo is present on
DebConfs and we can talk to them. Just from reading[1] it seems to be
what I'm looking for in principle - provided they might unbundle Win11
from it and I can just plugin the Debian installer USB to install
Debian.
Kind regards
Andreas.
[1] https://www.theregister.com/2023/09/08/linux_on_the_thinkpad_x13s/
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